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Roth IRA question
Category: Business and Money > Accounting Asked by: jags11-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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16 Feb 2006 10:41 PST
Expires: 18 Mar 2006 10:41 PST Question ID: 446595 |
I am 34 and married. In 2005, I withdrew $14,000 from my Roth IRA ? I needed these funds to buy my second home. After I bought the second home and sold the first one, I deposited the money, $14,000, back to my same Roth IRA account. I had taken the money out in Apr,2005 and put it back in Aug,2005. I didn't think about tax implications at that time, I thought there would be none as I deposited the money back in the same year. But now I have received an IRA withdrawal form from my investment company. How would I report this in my taxes? Would I be penalized for just using the money? |
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Re: Roth IRA question
Answered By: wonko-ga on 09 Mar 2006 10:47 PST |
Provided that you had contributed $14,000 to your Roth IRA at the time of the withdrawal, you will not be taxed on that withdrawal. If you had not contributed $14,000, then the amount of the $14,000 exceeding your contributions at that time is taxable and is subject to a 10% additional tax penalty. There is no provision for taking a loan from a Roth IRA. Therefore, the $14,000 you contributed in August of 2005 exceeded the maximum contribution limit of $4000. Depending upon your family's income, your contribution limit could be lower than $4000. The amount exceeding your applicable contribution limit is subject to a 6% excise tax per year if it is not removed from the Roth IRA. Therefore, you should take out the excess amount as soon as possible. Any earnings on the excess contribution are taxable. You can elect to apply some of that amount to your 2006 contribution, again subject to the applicable maximum contribution limit. That would still leave you with at least $6,000 that needs to be taken out by April 17, 2006 to avoid the excise tax. A good explanation of how to deal with excess Roth IRA contributions can be found at: "Avoiding the Roth IRA 'excess contribution' tax" by Dorothy Rosen, Bankrate.com (2006) https://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/dollardiva/20020221a.asp I suggest you contact your investment company, explain your situation, and find out how to remove the excess amount and characterize some of the amount as a 2006 contribution as soon as possible. Additional sources: "You do not include in your gross income qualified distributions or distributions that are a return of your regular contributions from your Roth IRA(s)." "Unless one of the exceptions listed below applies, you must pay the 10% additional tax on the taxable part of any distributions that are not qualified distributions. " "A 6% excise tax per year will apply to any excess contribution not withdrawn from the Roth IRA." "If contributions to your Roth IRA for a year were more than the limit, you can apply the excess contribution in one year to a later year if the contributions for that later year are less than the maximum allowed for that year." "Roth IRAs" IRS http://www.irs.gov/publications/p590/ch02.html "IRAs do not permit loans. Therefore, repaying a loan balance from one plan by transferring the loan balance and making loan payments to your IRA is not allowed. If you attempted this transaction, the loan would be treated as a distribution at the time of the attempted rollover ." "FAQs regarding IRAs" IRS http://www.irs.gov/retirement/article/0,,id=111413,00.html#5 Search terms: excise tax IRA excess contribution; loan roth ira; Roth IRA |
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Re: Roth IRA question
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 16 Feb 2006 11:47 PST |
Unfortunately I can't find any rule that says you can withdraw money and replace it the same tax year (it may exist, I just can't find it). But this may help: Since this is a ROTH IRA, any money that you put in has already been taxed. So you may withdraw all that money without tax or penalty. So if you contributed $10,000 into the ROTH IRA and the rest is interest, then the first $10,000 you withdraw is tax/penalty free no matter what. Some bad news though: That $14,000 that you put back into your ROTH may not be legal. Your maximum annual contributions are $4,000 each for a total of $8,000 (you + your spouse). If you call whoever is in control of your IRA (bank/mutual fund... whoever it is), I'm sure they can answer any and all of your questions regarding it. |
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Re: Roth IRA question
From: ubiquity-ga on 16 Feb 2006 16:09 PST |
The previous commented left of the 10% penalty on the entire amount you pulled out because you have not attained the age of 59(1/2) Further, the additional funds you put in, in excess of $4000 (the amount you can put in), will not be treated as having tax free growth. You always have to think of IRAs in terms of taxes, thats what it is, a provision of the tax code that makes it possible. |
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Re: Roth IRA question
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 17 Feb 2006 06:38 PST |
Ubiquity, you're not considering that this is a ROTH IRA. They act quite differently than traditional IRAs. Unlike traditional IRAs, you may withdraw your origional contributions without tax or penalty because you have already paid tax on this amount. "The rules for Roth IRAs permit you to do something that isn't allowed for regular IRAs: withdraw the nontaxable part of your money first. Distributions from regular IRAs come partly from earnings and partly from contributions. But when you take money out of a Roth IRA, the first dollars you take out are considered to be a return of your non-rollover contributions. You don't have to meet any special tests to receive those dollars free of tax. You can take them out any time, for any reason, without paying tax or penalties." --http://www.fairmark.com/rothira/taxfree.htm As long as you're only withdrawing the amount you contributed (or less) then there will be no taxes and no penalties... no matter what. You're also not considering that a married couple can deposit 2 times the maximum contribution (because it's 2 people) for a total of $8,000 (not the $4,000 that you mentioned). Ubiquity, you're right that IRAs are all about taxes... but I do recommend you study up on the ROTH, the rules are much different than for the traditional IRA that you are familiar with. ROTHs can be extremely beneficial and flexible if used properly. |
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Re: Roth IRA question
From: taxbear-ga on 18 Feb 2006 12:26 PST |
You are subject to income tax on the earnings. You are also subject to a 10% penalty on the early withdrawal (10% of the earnings). Here's an example from the Motley Fool website: Example #1: Jim, age 30, made a Roth IRA contribution of $2,000 in 1998. In 2005, Jim's Roth IRA has a balance of $3,500. Jim decides to close his Roth IRA in a non-qualified distribution that year. Since the distribution is non-qualified, Jim will owe taxes on his Roth earnings of $1,500, and will pay tax on this amount at his marginal tax rate. In addition, since the distribution took place before Jim reached age 59 1/2, and since Jim did not meet any of the exceptions, Jim will also be assessed a 10% early withdrawal penalty on the earnings. If we assume that Jim is in the 28% marginal tax bracket, he will pay $420 in tax on the earnings, and will pay a penalty in the amount of $150 on the early distribution. This is a very steep price to pay. |
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Re: Roth IRA question
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 21 Feb 2006 05:24 PST |
Once again, notice that the tax is only on the amount greater than the amount deposited into the ROTH IRA. "[Jim] made a Roth IRA contribution of $2,000" "Jim's Roth IRA has a balance of $3,500. Jim decides to close his Roth IRA" "Jim will owe taxes [and the 10% penalty] on his Roth earnings of $1,500" If you deposited $14,000+ and withdrew $14,000 then you will owe $0 tax and $0 penalty. |
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