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Physics
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: jdstevens-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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26 Dec 2004 19:34 PST
Expires: 25 Jan 2005 19:34 PST Question ID: 447597 |
Assume a constant state of falling rain, coming straight down. Your car is 50 yards from the restaurant door. Do you get more wet walking, running at twice the speed of walking, or is it the same due to some sort of compression effect? |
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Re: Physics
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 26 Dec 2004 20:55 PST Rated: |
In this case scientific analysis agrees with the common sense: Amount of water objects collects is proportional to the time spent in the rain The formula ".. RC = D * T * v * x / s + 5 * D * T * x .." is derived e.g. here http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1997-12/875637984.Ph.r.html In that formula t = x / s = distance over speed is time spent in the rain. This is true even if rain is not vertical: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/mar2001/985815156.Ph.r.html or if you draw a picture during the analysis: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2004-01/1074093706.Es.r.html This is a FAQ on the high school science circuit, probably stemming from a related question, namely: Amount of rain hitting the windshield discussed e.g. here: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/newton/askasci/1995/environ/ENV022.HTM In the original question, teacher was asking: During the SAME TIME interval, is the amount of water collected, different for a moving car than for a stationary car? The angle of drops relative to car is different when car is moving - and there is an effect, which can be called a compression effect, which compensates for that - a different effective crossection of the exposed area. These two effects cancel each other, so that The rate of wetting is same, and so, in summary: the longer you run, walk or dance in the rain the wetter you will become. However, The "angle of incidence" of rain drops changes with the speed of the body. That angle is shown here: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/AngleofIncidence.html Hedgie |
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Re: Physics
From: timespacette-ga on 28 Dec 2004 09:42 PST |
"and so, in summary: the longer you run, walk or dance in the rain the wetter you will become." <smile> well, I'm always impressed by the scientific method . . . I live in the Pacific North Wet and I coulda told ya this for fifty cents . . . :) |
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Re: Physics
From: helpfulperson-ga on 28 Dec 2004 12:23 PST |
Most important is which way the wind is blowing! |
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Re: Physics
From: racecar-ga on 29 Dec 2004 14:58 PST |
It is not true that the rate of wetting is independent of your speed. You get wetter quicker when you move faster. I know this from experience (riding a motorcycle in the rain), but you can also see it from common sense. Go into the reference frame of the falling raindrops. That is, look at the world as if you're a raindrop. All the raindrops are motionless in this reference frame (all raindrops are assumed to have the same terminal velocity), and objects which are stationary relative to the groud are moving upward through the raindrops. The amount of wetting that occurs is equal to the number of raindrops the object hits. So if the rain is falling vertically at 3 m/s, it will 'see' a sphere sitting on the ground as moving at 3 m/s, but it will 'see' a sphere rolling across the horizontal ground at 4 m/s as moving at 5 m/s. So the moving sphere will get wet 1.6 times faster than the stationary one. As for whether you should walk or run from your car to the restaurant, that depends. If both your walking speed and running speed are much larger than the speed of the falling rain (as would be the case if the 'rain' were a fine mist or drizzle that settled slowly), then it doesn't matter. In moving from your car to the resaurant you sweep out a given volume which contains a given number of drops. When you run you get wet twice as fast for half as long, and the end result is the same. If you are spherical, and the speed of the rain is reasonably large, then you will get less wet if you run. But most people are taller and skinnier than spheres. So when you're standing still, the vertically falling rain sees a much smaller target than when you're moving forward. The faster you move, the more perpendicularly the rain hits you, and so the bigger the target for the rain. In the limit of an extremely tall and skinny person, once again it doesn't matter whether you walk or run. You'll get equally wet either way. |
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Re: Physics
From: xcarlx-ga on 29 Dec 2004 22:42 PST |
This first thing to clarify is that, when asking this standard question, we are really imagining a situation such as running from a car to a house in the rain. There is logic in saying a running person runs into more rain, but we aren't running around in the rain in circles like idiots, we are trying to get from one specific point to another. A running person might "run into" more rain per second than a person walking or standing still, but until you get from your car to your house you are still getting rained on. Imagine the rain is hovering in the air. For a fixed distance of travel, the front of your body would have to push through the same total area of air/rain. Speed wouldn't matter. Now if the rain is falling at a constant speed, it still wouldn't make a difference to the front of your body what speed you were moving--you would still have to move through the same volume of air which has a constant mix of water in it. But while you are standing there thinking about how much rain the front of your body runs into, the top of your head is getting rained on. The rain falling on the top of your head will run down the rest of you too, so hurry up and get inside. But instead of trying to prove it, if someone tells you that going slower means getting rained on less, or the same amount, ask them why they don't just stand still in the rain and not move at all. Put the burden on them to determine exactly how slow they think they should move in the rain. That ought to make it seem ridiculous enough. |
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Re: Physics
From: racecar-ga on 30 Dec 2004 13:46 PST |
xcarlx- Your comment says the same thing as mine in different words. |
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Re: Physics
From: xcarlx-ga on 31 Dec 2004 01:22 PST |
racecar said: > xcarlx- > > Your comment says the same thing as mine in different words. Oops. Had I read more carefully, I wouldn't have wasted all those words. |
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Re: Physics
From: xwa-ga on 07 Jan 2005 11:57 PST |
Sorry to bring this back up, but I was biking in the rain today and thought of this... The slower you go (as speed approaches 0) the number of raindrops that hit you goes to infinity. However, the faster you go (as speed approaches infinity) the number of raindrops doesn't go to infinity. Since we're assuming there's a finite number of drops at any one moment in the air, then wouldn't there be a cap on the number of drops you can hit, even if you hit them all? Then wouldn't that result in the faster you go, the less wet you'd get? Xiao |
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