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Randomly flashing sign
Category: Science Asked by: bjork24-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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27 Dec 2004 15:37 PST
Expires: 26 Jan 2005 15:37 PST Question ID: 447912 |
I need to build a REAL sign similar to the one in this flash animation (http://www.commonelectric.com/test.html). SPECS: ? 5 to 6 letters / spaces (each independently lit by 1 or 2 light bulbs) ? Each letter / space will be roughly 1'6" high by 1' wide ? Each letter / space will need to flicker or flash at a random interval The idea is to create the visual of a broken sign that is slowly begin to burn out. My question is this... how do I do it? What's the easiest way to create a randomly flickering light? Is there a special circuit that will do the trick for me? Is it even possible to get the lights to act independently of each other? Any ideas or suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks for you time. |
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Re: Randomly flashing sign
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 31 Dec 2004 02:45 PST Rated: |
Easiest way is to interface a computer to as solid stae switch (relay) - or to multiple switches for multiple bulbs. Either serial or parallel port can be used. You can write a program (in Basic, c, tcl ..), use timers and random numbers generator, and when program does what you want, you send the output of the program to an I/O port to control the relay(s). There are ready made interface boards on the market - so that no custom circuit design is required. Here are some: http://www.electrokits.com/id-serial_port_relay_board_program.htm SEARCH TERM: I/O port operated relay You did not described you computer sophistication, so these are just few general hints on how to write to I/O port http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/parallel_output.html and http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/IO-Port-Programming.html it can be done is high level language, as ms (millisecond level) timing is not an issue http://www.hare.demon.co.uk/ioport/ioport.html There are companies which do sell programable interface boards, intended to control 'real devices' such as stepper motors, for example http://www.galilmc.com/support/faq.html If you use one of those, you can just substitude your sign for a motor, of course, after considering proper electrical requirements for the sign and output power and voltage requirments. Hedgie |
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In the end, it looks like we're going a different route with the sign, but none the less, hedgie's answer was timely, thorough, and very helpful. Top notch! |
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Re: Randomly flashing sign
From: guzzi-ga on 27 Dec 2004 19:29 PST |
Yea, could be stylish. Dead easy for electronic designers but how techy are you? Do you need info down to the smallest detail? What kind of lamps do you want to use, power, voltage? Cost? Easiest with low voltage, though not quite the cheapest. Mains voltage is easy for a designer, triacs, thyristors, IGBTs or relays, but much more difficult for non-experts. So best to think low voltage. An electronic designer would use transistors, preferably MOSFETs, and though relays are conceptually simpler you?d still need transistors (pref FETs) to drive them. Plus with relays there are ?back EMF? concerns which you have to know about. Therefore power MOSFETs are simplest but you still have to know something about them. Suggest you use torch (flashlight) bulbs. Bear in mind that a cold filament resistance is only a fraction of the hot resistance so the PSU and FETs must be able to sustain short high current excursions. You may have some appropriately rated transformer power supplies kicking about. Got to be smoothed DC output to power electronic (pseudo) random generators. You?ll find designs on the web but a simpler, far less pseudo, generator can be built from gating a divider chip outputs -- 4000 series CMOS being very cheap and available. This is only the briefest of information and perhaps it?ll put you off. Depends on if you follow what I?ve said. If most of it makes sense to you, and you can wield a soldering iron, we can discuss to more depth. Nice little project for a newcomer (?) to electronics. Best |
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Re: Randomly flashing sign
From: bjork24-ga on 28 Dec 2004 12:55 PST |
Wow, that seems like a lot of work. I'm very techy, just haven't had much experience with solid state electronics. Thanks for your advice though! |
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Re: Randomly flashing sign
From: gopman-ga on 28 Dec 2004 18:29 PST |
I can't resist... I would use LEDs for the lights and use a single PIC microcontroller to drive the blinking lights. Very few parts, very easy to build, but it would require a little bit of programming. There are even BASIC-language programmable PIC microcontrollers which can be programmed in BASIC, if you don't want to learn PIC assembly language. Check out http://www.parallax.com/ for the "Basic Stamp", or http://www.microchip.com for the PIC microcontrollers. |
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Re: Randomly flashing sign
From: guzzi-ga on 28 Dec 2004 19:45 PST |
Yea as usual I agree with you gopman. Still have to sort out drivers and PSU of course. Thought I?d spare bjork (love the singing BTW) that route though :-) And bjork, being techy, your learned approach should be applicable to solid state. Do I take it that you have worked with gaseous state, ie firebottles? On your own with these. Thankfully, germanium came along just in time to save me too much familiarisation :-) So shall we continue? Wish I could send pictures ?cos the circuit is drawn in my head -- gopman?s too no doubt. Perhaps though you?d like to ponder and come back at a later stage with proposals, or would you like more specific device suggestions? Just as is your pleasure. Best |
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Re: Randomly flashing sign
From: drimagine-ga on 15 Jan 2005 12:35 PST |
Geez - talk about using a sledgehammer. All our friend needs is a couple of 555 timers with a few transistors to control the current to his lightblulbs. Unless he's planning on performing a light show using a computer is over kill. Few places that have a slew of circuits at your finger tips follows: http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/gadgets/555/555.html http://www.discovercircuits.com/L/lite-flash.htm http://www.discovercircuits.com/L/lampcont.htm http://www.signal-tech.com/accessories_flashers.cfm The last being a place to purchase the control module rather than build it. Answer Guy - If you are going to collect money for this - at least have a clue about the problem. |
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