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An accurate thermometer?
Category: Science > Instruments and Methods Asked by: antarctidus-ga List Price: $8.00 |
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27 Dec 2004 21:17 PST
Expires: 26 Jan 2005 21:17 PST Question ID: 448018 |
I want to know how do I best determine if my thermometer(s) display correct temperature. I have about 6, all of wich are digital, and some are wireless, with an operating range of about -50f to 160f. Should one expect different testing requirements for steel and plastic sensors? In my case, testing in boiling water is out of question. I've heard about giving it an 'icebath', but the opinions were divided; some sources claim icewater holds exactly 32f, others about 33-34f. So which is it? Also, setting your thermometer in a glass of water stored in refrigirator. The temperature drops constantly, then stops for a while, then drops again as ice encircle the sensor. Would such a way, then, be accurate and/or better than the 'icebath', and what temperature should I expect here? Any other ways? |
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Re: An accurate thermometer?
From: owain-ga on 29 Dec 2004 10:06 PST |
Provided you are a normal healthy human, you already have a temperature source that is accurate within about 36.1 - 37.8 degrees Celcius - your body temperature. Put the probes in pairs under your tongue for two minutes and record each thermometer's result. Cross-check each thermometer against two or three others. Owain |
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Re: An accurate thermometer?
From: antarctidus-ga on 30 Dec 2004 00:34 PST |
Hi owain-ga, thanks for the reply. It could be an option, but I am interested in more correct results. 1.7 c seem too high a variation to me. I am more interested in determing wich of my thermometers fall within at least 0.5 C gap. Also, I think an outdoor thermometer is not that suitable taking body temperature. But i'll try it, anyway! Still, I'd like to know wether it's possible to point an exact temperature in ice water (opinions were devided wether it should be 0.0 or even 1.0 C). In my experiment (ice covered glass of water taken out of the refrigerator), 4 of the thermometers displayed following results: 1. -0.5 2. +0.6 3. +0.3 4. -0.7 So I wonder wich one is the most accurate! Can it be possible the ice water hold minus temperatures (-0.1, -0.2)? After all, the freezing process cannot take place untill temperature fall below 0 C. Any opinions? |
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Re: An accurate thermometer?
From: owain-ga on 31 Dec 2004 13:02 PST |
It is possible for ice water to be minus Celcius. If water is impure, its freezing point varies. Owain |
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Re: An accurate thermometer?
From: arbitrary-ga on 03 Jan 2005 06:17 PST |
The Febuary 1999 issue of Scientific American has an article in the Amature Scientist feature describing how to make a triple point calibration device. It's been a while since I read the article so I can't say for sure how difficult it is to make but I'd check my local library to see if you can find that issue. I'm pretty sure that Scientific American also allows people to download old articles for a small fee if you can't find a copy of the article or any other reference to it online. From memory, the basic idea is that the freezing/melting and boiling/condensation points of water depend on the pressure, this device puts the water in a point where all three states exist at the same time. I don't know if this device is what you need, it might be outside the range of the thermometers you're trying to test. |
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Re: An accurate thermometer?
From: drimagine-ga on 15 Jan 2005 13:04 PST |
The thermocouple devices used in your wireless/digital thermometers have two different metals in electrical contact. The bimetallic junction generates a voltage based on the temperature of the two metals. Classically a duplicate junction is placed in an ice-water bath and the voltage is generated based on this difference. Your digital themometers have an electronic ice-point in the thermometer which maybe correctly set or not. This may account for the variation you see in the thermometers. Also depending on the resolution of your thermometer electronics it may not be accurate to less than 0.5 degrees C in any case. In the laboratory, it is uncommon to have an accurate measurement of less than 0.1 C in any case without speciali equipment. Retry your ice bath test with a styrofoam of ice filled with water. Let stand for 15 minutes to come to decent equilibrium. If the thermometer is waterproof put it into the ice bath. If not place it in a platic bag and submerge into the water. Allow 10-15 minutes before reading temperatures. If you have a variation at that time - that is due to the manufacture of the temperature. If you have further questions about the thermometer you should consult the manufacturer about the specifics of the thermometer operation. Depending on the commonly dissolved materials in the water and ice, the ice bath may be -0.1 tenth of a degree from 0 degrees Celcius. But for your measurements, it is safe to assume that the bath is at 0 degrees. |
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Re: An accurate thermometer?
From: drimagine-ga on 15 Jan 2005 13:05 PST |
PS - This is simple - where's the answer guy? |
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Re: An accurate thermometer?
From: antarctidus-ga on 18 Jan 2005 23:34 PST |
Wow, arbitrary and drimagine, many thanks for your help! I haven't been able to locate the Scientist article, but then again, drimagine's clarification was more than enough for me. Both the thorough explanation on the basics of digital theromometers, as well as a step-by-step guidance for attaining correct testing results were completely satisfactory. This is the answer I was looking for! Now, when I know the exact temperature of an icebath (under sea-level pressure with pure water in a clean container), I can easily tell wich of the thermometers are closer to the norm. I repeated the testing and got very much the same results I've posted. In this case, nr. 3 & 1 were the most reliable. Drimagine-ga, had you been a researcher, I would rate your answer 5/5. Unfortunately as we see, the researchers aren't always doing their job. It is here that other users can help eachother out. Thanks again everyone for your involvement! Antarctidus-ga |
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