Our company is looking for a card key entry system for a new building
and this post is for someone to provide us with some good
recommendations.

First, I read somewhere (maybe the Economist) about a new system where
each key carries all the access information.  When any key is slid
into a door, the lock and the key check to see which of them has the
most recent information for the whole system.  Whichever one is more
recent updates the information on the other.  That way eventually any
changes in the access allowed are eventually spread to all the locks
and keys without the doors all being networked to each other.

I don?t know the cost of that system, but it sounds like a neat idea. 
Can you identify this system?  We will initially have about 25 doors
and maybe 100 keys needed, but will want the ability to expand.

Anyway, here is what we are ideally looking for in order of
preference.  It may be that we have to sacrifice something, but I
would like to know where the tradeoff is.

1)	Ability to issue plastic keys easily from a central location
2)	Battery operated locks, but with long life
3)	Easy ability to change access codes required for each door. 
4)	The systems do not need to be networked together or to a central database
5)	Inexpensive total cost of ownership, including initial cost,
installation and maintenance fees.
6)	Ability to retrieve who accessed the room (maybe last 10 cards with
the access times)
7)	Ability to update/access information via the web

You might suggest other features that I have missed

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 24 Feb 2006 09:34 PST

Hello -

I have identified a system that fits the description you've provided;
it is basically the only one of its kind (patented), and the only one
that fits most of your criteria.  It is roughly 1/3 the price of
traditional door access control systems (traditional systems, which
are fully networked, are $3000-$5000 per door, and don't know if they
are even worth considering).

Would providing you information on this system suffice as an answer to
your question?

jbf777

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 24 Feb 2006 21:46 PST

I can identify other options for you, if you let me know a general
budget you're willing to work with per door.  However, you the one
system I've identified is the only one that works in the manner you've
described, and the only one that doesn't require networking for all
doors.

Thanks,

jbf777

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 25 Feb 2006 15:28 PST

That should read: "However, the one system I've identified..."

It's also the only one in that price bracket.

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Clarification of Question by andywebb-ga on 25 Feb 2006 19:17 PST

Thanks for your response.  We haven't stated a budget, but are
basically in the investigation stage.  If the one system you have
identified is over $1000 per door, I expect it may be a bit steep for
our tastes, but I would want to discuss it with my boss.

Maybe we could start with just that system.  I will check it out and
if we decide that is what we want to go with we can consider the
question answered.  If not, then it will at least help me clarify
where we are willing to compromise and then I would ask for your other
recommendations based on the narrowed criteria.  Once you make those
recommendation we will consider the question answered whether we
choose to take your additional recommendations or not.

Thanks.

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 25 Feb 2006 21:42 PST

Thanks for the clarification.

Two issues:

1) The $1000 (which may be between $1000-$1500) system will not be
available commercially until Q3 of this year (it may be before this,
however; I can get more details on that Monday).

2) Just to reiterate, this is the ONLY system in this price range. 
Other options range over $3000 per door.  While I'd be glad to
recommend other options outside of the $1000 system, they will all be
2x-3x the price, and hence not really relevant to you if your
budgetary constraints are within $1000/door (in light of your comment
regarding the $1000 door being potentially too steep).

Would you still like me to post this system as an answer to the question?

jbf777

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Clarification of Question by andywebb-ga on 27 Feb 2006 14:57 PST

1) If the system isn't available commercially until 3Q that won't do
us any good.  We will be moving in May.

2) How about just giving us a recommendation for a less expensive
system.  For instance, I can click on google ads on the web page this
is posted on and see a number of system starting about $150/door plus
whatever the cost of the programming unit.  Assuming the requirements
listed above are in order of importance, what could we do that came
short of the full requirement but at a cheaper cost.  Let's say we
were willing to spend $400 per door, plus $2000 for the main
programming unit.  The one certainty is that we don't want the
requirement that the doors be networked.

Maybe two or three options with a list of the tradeoffs.  

Also it would be nice if the door could be opened with a proximity
card that didn't require the card to actually be inserted in the
reader.  In addition it would be nice if we could set the door so that
it was always open at certain times of the day.

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 28 Feb 2006 11:50 PST

OK - I'm looking into it.

jbf777

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Clarification of Question by andywebb-ga on 01 Mar 2006 17:25 PST

Looking forward to it.

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 01 Mar 2006 19:03 PST

Can you tell me in which state you're located?  A particular aspect of
the pricing can be influenced by geography.

Thanks,

jbf777

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Clarification of Question by andywebb-ga on 01 Mar 2006 19:22 PST

Burbank, California

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Clarification of Question by andywebb-ga on 03 Mar 2006 08:30 PST

Are you still checking on this?  I haven't heard from you in a couple of days.

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 03 Mar 2006 13:17 PST

Yes, still working on this (investigating several sources).  I'll be
posting an answer today or tomorrow.  I've found that proximity card
systems are a little more expensive than $400 per door.  I'm finding
that they don't require a $2000+ central programming unit, but they
range $600-$800 per door installed.  Is this information OK to
include?

jbf777

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Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 04 Mar 2006 06:36 PST

(I have located card-swipe systems that are in the $400 range, but the
proximity card systems are a bit more expensive; I'm required to
confirm with you before I can officially post this information on the
proximity cards, since it's out of your stated budget).

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Clarification of Question by andywebb-ga on 06 Mar 2006 07:36 PST

Yes, please post both options and then we can consider the tradeoffs.

Thanks.

Hello -

I've spoken to several manufacturers and located options in the
general price range you've specifed.

All of these products below are not networked, as you've requested. 
Except for the Isonas system noted below, this means each system must
be individually programmed at the door itself, and each one must be
reprogrammed if an employee is terminated.  Other than the ability to
access/program doors from the web, all of your requirements are met in
these products.  Some of the products are installed by one or more
factory technicians; others are handled by a local systems integrator
or qualified locksmith, and I've noted this for each product.

The numbers included are estimates, and installation costs can vary
based on a few variables, one of them being the type of door lock
being used (cylindrical or mortise; the former being less expensive
for installation).  The cost of the access cards themselves are a few
dollars each.  Each system requires a PC.

Information is as follows, in no particular order:


Trilogy PDL3000/PDL3500 Prox Lock Proximity Card Access System
Manufacturer: Alarm Lock 
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Manufacturer "Alarm Lock" claims to have over 50% of the market share
for stand-alone access control products.  Their reader module is
manufactured by HID, a subsidiary of Assa Abloy, a major market leader
themselves (and industry standard for access cards).  The lock is
manufactured by Access Lock.  Comes with numerical keypad in addition
to prox reader.  The central programming unit, the DTM3 data module,
is only $181.

The systems run 60,000 - 80,000 uses (cycles) on 5 AA batteries. 

The PDL3000 Cylindrical lock version is $608.
The PDL3500 Mortise lock version is $641.

Prices do not include installation.  See these links for product information:

PDL3000
http://www.alarmlock.com/testframe.html?main.html

PDL3500
http://www.alarmlock.com/testframe.html?main.html

Should take 1-2 hours (or less) install per lock/reader, and would
require a systems integrator or qualified locksmith.  See this link
for integrators in your area, or consult your local yellow pages:

http://yellowpages.superpages.com/listings.jsp?C=systems+integrators&OO=1&R=N&MC=1&STYPE=S&L=Burbank+CA&CP=Business+%26+Professional+Services%5ESecurity+Systems+%26+Services&F=1&refine=Services%3AInstallation%3B

To order, contact Mike at Huntington Hardware, 909-629-5301x8010
(quote above is from this company; reference the quote from "Jordan
Fine").

Key Specs/Issues:
-2000 users
-40,000-event audit trail
-5 AA batteries
-Uses standard HID cards
-Data transfer module is not infrared, so you need to connect cable from data   
   transmitter to lock to upload/download information
-Finishes: (no black) satin chrome, polished chrome, brasses, bronzes
-2 year warranty
-Factory doesn't do any on-site servicing
-Manufactures their own lock



E72PD Proximity Card Access System  
Manufacturer: SDC Security 
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The E72PD runs 100,000 uses (cycles) on 4 AA batteries (better
apparent battery efficiency than Alarm Lock's system above).  The
programming unit uses a wireless, infrared data transmitter to
communicate with the lock, which doesn't require a cable to be plugged
into the lock to upload/download information from it.

The reader/lock is about $544 per door plus $50-$100 installation for
typical cylindrical locks (mortise lock is few hundred dollars more). 
The central programming unit is only $350 + recommended "prox card
enroller" unit for $300 (ask for details).  Comes with numerical
keypad in addition to prox reader.

Product information link: http://www.sdcsecurity.com/mngmoc.aspx?id=1400

"MagLocks" is an official, master distributor for the product and
quotes significantly cheaper prices as compared to another leading
national distributor:
 
  MagLocks
  http://www.maglocks.com/
  1600 Riverfront Center
  Amsterdam, NY 12010
  1-866-500-5625

Should take 1-2 hours (or less) to install per lock/reader, and would
require a systems integrator or qualified locksmith.  See this link
for integrators in your area, or consult your local yellow pages:

http://yellowpages.superpages.com/listings.jsp?C=systems+integrators&OO=1&R=N&MC=1&STYPE=S&L=Burbank+CA&CP=Business+%26+Professional+Services%5ESecurity+Systems+%26+Services&F=1&refine=Services%3AInstallation%3B

Key Specs/Issues:
-860 total users
-3,100-event audit trail (option of getting a system with
 less number of users, but more events audited)
-4 AA batteries
-Uses standard HID cards
-Infrared data transmitter (doesn't require cable to upload/download from
 the device
-Finishes: black, bronze, bright brass finishes, bright chrome, satin chrome
-1 year warranty, can be used outdoors
-Factory doesn't do any on-site servicing (requires use of a local locksmith)

Manufacturer contact:
  SDC Security
  http://www.secsecurity.com
  3580 Willow Lane
  Westlake Village, 
  California 91361 USA
  1.800.413.8783
  


B.A.S.I.S. 93KG7MS Magnetic Stripe (Magstripe Card Reader)
Manufacturer: Stanley Works "Best Access" Division
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This is a magstripe (magnetic stripe/swipe, non-proximity) reader and
lock, both of which are manufactured by Stanley Works.  Cost is about
$500 per door (ballpark), installed.  The base unit + software is
around $1000.  Requires a PDA as well, for around $500.

Takes 4 double AA's, giving 65,000-130,000 uses (extended battery pack
available, effectively doubles capacity).

Also offers their B.A.S.I.S. 93KG7 proximity system which is a prox
card version of the same system, for $800-$900 installed (does NOT
include numeric keypad).

Stanley Works offers free onsite survey and quote.   Orders and
installations are direct from the manufacturer.  Contact
representative Ron at 951-233-3722.

Best Access Systems, Security Solutions Product Group 
http://www.bestaccess.com/index.asp?Mode=EAC_BG  (see 9KG)
6161 East 75th Street
Indianapolis, Indiana 46250

Key Specs/Issues:
-Allows 5000 users
-Around 5000-event audit trail
-4 AA batteries; extended battery pack is 8 AA's
-Uses standard HID cards
-Hook up cable-from PDA to reader for uploading/downloading information
-Finishes: chrome; custom finishes available
-Takes 6 or 7 pin lock
-Comes with its own lock
-3 year warranty
-Factory DOES do servicing on-site



Integra CT30 (magstripe system)
Manufacturer: Onity
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Onity provides access control in many major hotel chains in addition
to several governmental installations and a nuclear facility.  See
http://www.onity.com/index.php?x=2&h=4 for a full list.
 
The CT30 costs about $250-$350 installed per door; central programming
unit is about $4000.  About 80,000 uses per battery (takes AA
batteries).

Orders and installations are direct from manufacturer.  Contact
representative Ron at 970-282-1029.

Onity
http://www.onity.com/ (product is not yet on website)
2100 A Nancy Hanks Drive
Norcross GA USA

Key Specs/Issues:
-60,000 users
-1,128-event audit trail
-4 AA batteries
-Uses magstripe (HID or typically their own)
-Cable connects from portable programmer to reader for uploading/downloading
-Finishes: chrome, brass, bronze, oil-rub bronze (no black)
-2 year warranty
-Factory does on-site servicing



Isonas Wireless Reader
Manufacturer: Isonas 
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If you can stretch the budget a bit, this award-winning proximity
system has the major added benefit of wireless networking, and looks
to be the only one of its kind.  With this system, you can wirelessly
access and control each door's reader using a PC/laptop without
physically visiting each door, potentially offering significant
increase in convenience (it gives you the advantages of a very
expensive networked system at a much cheaper price).  The door readers
are not physically networked, only wirelessly accessible from a remote
computer (i.e., a computer on the office network).  However, they're
NOT battery-powered, which means you have to have power running to
each door.  Each reader is $800 + installation costs; however, there's
no cost for an additional central programming unit, again reducing the
total cost of the package per door.  Requires a lock + electric strike
for each door.

Available from the Keyless Lock Store: 561-479-0498.  See this link
for more information on this system:

http://www.nokey.com/isclearwirip.html

Contact Isonas at:

Isonas
http://www.isonas.com
6325 Gunpark Dr - Suite 101 
Boulder, Colorado 80301 USA 
Toll Free: 800-581-0083, Extension 106 
Phone (CO): 303-567-6516, Extension 106 
Fax (CO): 303-567-6991 

Key Specs/Issues:
-2048 users in standalone mode; in network mode, unlimited (xmits data to 
    server)
-250-event audit trail; in network mode, unlimited (xmits data to server)
-Uses own cards or HID cards
-1 year warranty
-Factory or authorized rep on-site service


If you need any additional information or clarification, please do not
hesitate to ask before rating this answer.  Additionally, I would be
glad to investigate any one of these systems further for you.

Thank you,

jbf777
Researcher
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Request for Answer Clarification by andywebb-ga on 06 Mar 2006 16:56 PST

Excellent Work.  I am most interested in the E72PD Proximity Card
Access System.  I have one more question, just to make sure.  Is it
possible to configure these locks to remain open at certain times of
the day?

Thanks.

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Clarification of Answer by jbf777-ga on 06 Mar 2006 18:56 PST

>Excellent Work.  

Thank you.

>I am most interested in the E72PD Proximity Card Access System.  I
have one >more question, just to make sure.  Is it possible to
configure these locks to >remain open at certain times of the day?

Absolutely.  I verified all of these products to have this feature. 
For this particular product, you can put the lock in what's called
"Passage Mode", where the lock will unlock itself for X amount of
time.  There's a lot of flexibility with these systems to create all
sorts of scheduling and accessibility options applicable to all,
individual, or select groups of users (industry jargon is "time zone"
management).  You can see how the software actually looks on screen,
in addition to in-depth information on all of the other scheduling
capabilities, at this online manual PDF link:

E70 Series Manual
http://www.sdcsecurity.com/docs/DBDocs/E72Series_Install.pdf

Check out the section on "Time Zone Management" (page 11; Adobe page
may be more like 15).

Let me know if you have any other questions.

jbf777

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Request for Answer Clarification by andywebb-ga on 06 Mar 2006 19:46 PST

Just for my edification.  What was the system that won't be available
until October, where each of the cards carries all the security info?

Thanks.

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Clarification of Answer by jbf777-ga on 06 Mar 2006 20:02 PST

Many things for the kind words, rating, and tip!  That system is being
developed by Honeywell Access Systems, incorporating technology from a
company named "Corestreet."  Not sure the product has a name just yet.
 Honeywell's phone number is 1-414-766-1700.  Be sure to reference the
"Corestreet" technology when inquiring.

By the way, for your reference -- that original Economist article is here:

Security through viral propagation
http://www.ladlass.com/ice/archives/009281.html

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Clarification of Answer by jbf777-ga on 06 Mar 2006 20:03 PST

That should be "many thanks!" :)

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Request for Answer Clarification by andywebb-ga on 06 Mar 2006 21:21 PST

I have been researching the E72-PD and I am not finding anything like
the price you list.  Can you give me a specific web location or
person/phone number that would quote that price.  On the maglocks site
I am seeing a system that is not a proximity system.  Thanks.

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Clarification of Answer by jbf777-ga on 06 Mar 2006 23:25 PST

That Maglocks site is indeed the place from which to buy it for that
price.  It was quoted over the phone for a quantity of 25.  If you
dial that number (866-500-5625), Dave should answer; if not, ask for
Dave, and tell him he quoted Jordan Fine with that price (it's a
quantity price).  Sorry for not including that detail.

jbf777

Very thorough work.