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Subject:
Word Puzzler
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: denverd-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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24 Jul 2002 18:22 PDT
Expires: 23 Aug 2002 18:22 PDT Question ID: 44830 |
There are 26 letters in the alphabet, number each in order 1-26 (i.e. A=1, B=2, C=3...Y=25, Z=26). Separate the number 15009166 into individual letters comprising a single word. My question is, what is the corresponding word to solve this puzzle? |
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Re: Word Puzzler
Answered By: juggler-ga on 24 Jul 2002 22:58 PDT Rated: |
Hello. As Murph points out below, it's not possible to parse 15009166 as given into any kind of solution because of the repeating 00s (i.e., no letter corresponds to either zero or 50). It's only possible to arrive at a solution by rearranging the number. 15009166 may be rearranged as 16091605, which may be parsed as: 16 09 16 05 which correspond to: P I P E So that's my answer: pipe. search strategy: racked my brain I hope this is right. | |
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denverd-ga
rated this answer:
Good answer but it is not correct. I submitted "pipe" as my answer it came back as incorrect. I am going to recehck my math for the prolems which led to the "15009166" number & repost. Thanks for the help. |
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Re: Word Puzzler
From: philip_lynx-ga on 24 Jul 2002 19:16 PDT |
Hi Denverd, When trying to separate 15009166 into letters, I tried the following approaches. None yields a nice english word. The most likely encoding would be the following algorithm: result = 0; for each letter in word, multiply result with 27, then add letter value to result. repeat. This gives 'AAFNSA' which is not a word I recognize ;-) Base 27 (values 1-26): 01 01 06 14 19 01 A A F N S A looks interesting, though not useful. Encoding in base 26 would be more efficient, however, the result in this case looks random, and it does not match the assigned letter values. Base 26 (values 0-25): 01 06 21 24 23 16 B G U Y X Q not useful Encoding of the letters could also have happened with an arbitrary larger number. Sometimes, primes are used, but this is not the case here. Factorization: 2*1291*5813 not useful Unlikely hypothesis: Sum of the letters. This would be a word with at least 577275 letters, and letter order is arbitrary. Other bases: I tried the search with all bases from 25 to 100, but none yields valid results (e.g. coefficients all lower than 27, and a nice word) Do you have any additional information about the encoding? If ASNFAA (or AAFNSA) is indeed the 'word' you are looking for, please say so. It is intersting that base 27 is the last one yielding a 6 character word. Base 28 already only results in 5 letters. That makes this encoding at least probable... |
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Re: Word Puzzler
From: murph-ga on 24 Jul 2002 19:32 PDT |
At a first look i'd say this puzzle was impossible. Starting at the left, it could be "1,5" or "15" because "1,50" is to high. this gives you either Ae as a start or O. But then you just have 00 which isn't on the chart, followed by 9 which is I and either A or P then f. Aeiaff? aeipf? oiaff? oipg? obvisly not! At this point i strongly urge you to recheck the exacy wording of your source. Now lets look at the wording of the questing 'Comprising' dosn't mean in order, does it? So lets see... None of the combinations i came up with earlier resulted in words (according to my spell checker thing. Franklin spelling ace) Maybe you have to reorder the numbers? Now it'll get complicated! The Numbers 0 must be used as the second number, so they HAVE to be two 10's with the numbers 1. So then theres two J's in your word. Leaving you with E,I,F,F for other letters, which again is no answers. Keep trying! -Matt |
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Re: Word Puzzler
From: puravida77-ga on 24 Jul 2002 19:45 PDT |
My thoughts are this: Here is how you could be it (and if I were so inclined about two hours of programming could pull it off). 1)First chop the big number into unique (meaning we haven't tried this grouping..) bundles of one or two digits: like so 1 50 0 9 .. you get the idea... 2) Check to see if all numbers fall with a band of 26 (meaning no bundle is more or less than 26 of any other bundle) if yes goto step 3, if not go back to step 1 to try differant unique bundling of digits beacuse this set cannot fit the rule of consecutive ordering 3) subract the lowest value of all the digits from each digit ( you should get at least one value of zero..).. So 3, 7, 12, 3 would become 0, 4, 9, 0 4) place the above zero indexed template on the alpahabet-- lining up the zero with the "a", and so on.. In the above example we would get A (from the zero), e (from the 4), J (from the 9), and A again from the zero. 5) Do the letters form a word? if yes.. your done, if no, go back to step 4 but shift all the numbers in the template up one digit (in our example the template becomes 1,5,9,1, then place on the alphabet again. 6) if you do step 5 until the highest number in the template hits 26 (it must take less steps than 26 to do this unless the whole word consists of the same letter.) and still no word.. then the numbers cannot form a word. I wrote this comment for fun since I wrote a program about two months ago that figures out the longest word in the English language that you can re-arrange the letters and form another word :-> |
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Re: Word Puzzler
From: denverd-ga on 25 Jul 2002 20:13 PDT |
I would like to post a comment apologizing to juggler-ga for the answer rating. I am new to this board & should have read the FAQ & requested a clarification first. 2* did not reflect the answer given, only that the answer was not correct, which again looks to be my own fault. |
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Re: Word Puzzler
From: mara-ga on 26 Jul 2002 08:01 PDT |
So when you give the wrong numbers, and it produces the wrong answer, that deserve a two-star rating for the RESEARCHER? Wow. |
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Re: Word Puzzler
From: asking-ga on 27 Jul 2002 15:17 PDT |
Looks like either the assignment of A=1, B=2, or the input number 15284476 might be wrong, as well. Using the A=1 assignment pattern, you can place letters into the puzzle more easily if you start from the back - the last number is 6 - that's F. (Since 76 isn't a letter). Second to last number is 7 is G. (47 isn't a letter, either.) Third to last letter is D (44 isn't a letter) Fourth to last letter is also D (84 isn't a letter). Fifth to last letter is H (28 isn't a letter) Sixth to last letter is B (52 isn't a letter) Seventh to last letter(s) is either E (5) or O (15) If there's an eighth to last, it's A (1) By now, it looks unlikely that the number is correct - neither "AEBHDDGF" or "OBHDDGF" are even close to a word. However, as I said above, it might be the A=1 assignment that's causing the trouble. |
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Answer
From: letterrip-ga on 07 Sep 2002 04:14 PDT |
15 2 8 4 4 7 6 15 = s 2 = t 8 = i 4 = r 7 = u 6 = p stirrup LetterRip methodology - first note that only the 1 and 5 can be broken up in an alternative method, I chose to view them as 15 as an arbitrary first guess. Then noted the double letter. Then noted that I'd need a couple of vowels given the length of the word, and given the doubled letters likely immediately before and/or after (as a first guess...). Then substituted in common consonants for the first two letters. which led rapidly to stirrup. |
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