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Q: History of Dueling Banjos ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   2 Comments )
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Subject: History of Dueling Banjos
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Music
Asked by: addtext-ga
List Price: $5.00
Posted: 01 Jan 2005 08:59 PST
Expires: 31 Jan 2005 08:59 PST
Question ID: 450012
I have a bet with my brother that the banjo duel precedes the famous
scene in "Deliverance."  But googling "banjo duel history
-deliverance" and "banjo duel -deliverance" doesn't provide me with
any proof.  Can you find proof that the movie is not the origin of the
banjo duel?

Request for Question Clarification by pinkfreud-ga on 01 Jan 2005 09:01 PST
I believe this answers your question. If you agree, I'll be pleased to
repost this link as your official answer:

http://www.undercoverdesign.com/dosghost/music/dberrata.htm

Clarification of Question by addtext-ga on 01 Jan 2005 10:10 PST
It's not quite the slam dunk I hoped for since my brother can claim it
wouldn't be known as a tradition if it weren't for the movie.  I wish
there were more evidence that the song referred to on that site was,
as they say, a "traditional song."  But this answer certainly merits
the meagre $5 I put up!
Answer  
Subject: Re: History of Dueling Banjos
Answered By: pinkfreud-ga on 01 Jan 2005 11:49 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Don Reno and Arthur "Guitar Boogie" Smith recorded "Feuding Banjos"
(written by Smith) in 1955. Smith later re-recorded the song, and it
appeared on his LP "Battling Banjos." In 1963, the tune was a hit on
country-western radio stations for The Dillards, under the name
"Duelin' Banjo" (available on The Dillards' "Back Porch Bluegrass"
album). The Dillards' version featured a banjo versus a mandolin. It
has been said that the melody resembles that of an 1889 bluegrass tune
called "Banjo Reel," but the resemblance is a distant one.

"In 1955, Reno again paired up with Arthur 'Guitar Boogie' Smith, his
former mentor. Together they did Feuding Banjos, a tune later used
without their permission in the movie Deliverance. Reno and Smith sued
the film company for rights infringement and won. Feuding Banjos, also
known from the movie as Dueling Banjos, is still one of the most
recognizable bluegrass tunes today."

Don Reno: Reno and Smiley
http://www.donreno.com/renoandsmiley.htm

"This was written and recorded in 1955 as 'Feuding Banjos' by Country
star Arthur 'Guitar Boogie' Smith. When the song became a hit, he had
to file a lawsuit to get credit for writing it.

A group called The Dillards popularized this in the mid '60s on the
folk circuit. It was their version that author James Dickey heard and
thought would fit nicely in the film version of his novel
Deliverance."

SongFacts: Dueling Banjos 
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=2292

"A movie was being made of Southern poet James Dickey's best-selling
novel -Deliverance, about a group of suburbanites who go for a hunting
trip in the woods that has unexpected consequences. Dickey, who wrote
the screenplay, had heard an old banjo tune on the radio and gotten
the idea of using it in a scene in which one of the characters
encounters a mute country boy and communicates with him by playing a
banjo/guitar duet. [Eric] Weissberg called fellow musician Steve
Mandell, and the two traveled to Atlanta to attend the shooting and
coach the actors in miming their performance of the song. That was the
last Weissberg heard of it until the fall of 1972, when Warner Bros.
released the film and 'Dueling Banjos,' as the track had been dubbed,
began to get such a reaction that Warner Bros. issued the
Weissberg/Mandell recording as a single. The label did not bother to
inform Weissberg of its action, and some early copies of the disc were
even credited to Deliverance. (It also turned out that, far from being
a traditional song, the tune was actually 'Feuding Banjos,' written by
Arthur Smith and first recorded by him for MGM Records in 1955.)"

MP3.com: Eric Weissberg
http://www.mp3.com/eric-weissberg/artists/17417/biography.html

"The collection's most (in)famous cut may well be 'Dueling Banjos,' by
Eric Weissberg and Steve Mandell, from the 1972 film 'Deliverance.'
For better or worse, Weissberg and Mandell's calculatedly commercial,
radio-friendly guitar vs. banjo arrangement remains the best known one
in the song's storied history. The tune has been around, in various
forms, since 1889, when it was known as 'Banjo Reel.' By the 1950s,
the tune had metamorphosed into 'Feudin' Banjos' (a dual banjo duel
between Don Reno and Arthur Smith) and Carl Story's 'Mockin' Banjo.'
An exceptional banjo vs. MANDOLIN version of the song, 'Duelin'
Banjo,' appeared on 1963's 'Back Porch Bluegrass,' The Dillards' debut
album, and later became the basis of a frivolous lawsuit by Arthur
Smith, who claimed the band had ripped off 'his' song."

Amazon.com: Appalachian Stomp: Bluegrass Classics 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000033GO

Here's a MIDI audio version of "Banjo Reel" for comparison:

Banjo Reel
http://www.mortalwombat.com/Audio/banjo.mid

My Google search strategy:

Google Web Search: "feuding banjos" "dueling OR duelling OR duelin' banjos"
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22feuding+banjos%22+%22dueling+OR+duelling+OR+duelin%27+banjos%22

I hope this gives you sufficient ammo to shoot down your brother's
theories about the song. Please let me know if anything more is
needed; I'll be glad to offer further assistance before you rate my
answer.

Best regards,
pinkfreud

Request for Answer Clarification by addtext-ga on 01 Jan 2005 12:12 PST
Wow, I'm impressed with all this information.  And you certainly don't
owe it to me because my original question wasn't that clear, and my
clarification was even less clear, but I'm still curious if the
phenomenon of banjo-dueling itself existed apart from anyone's written
or recorded song.

Clarification of Answer by pinkfreud-ga on 01 Jan 2005 13:16 PST
Yes, there is an old tradition in bluegrass music that is sometimes
called a "banjo battle." This doesn't necessarily involve the tune
from "Dueling Banjos," though. It's a little bit like jazz musicians
jamming: two or more performers engage in a back-and-forth elaboration
of a simple melody. Sometimes this is done as part of a competition,
with judges choosing a winner of the "battle." In a small town in the
Ozarks, I once saw a banjo battle that involved five participants,
playing two banjos, a fiddle, a mandolin, and a guitar. That was some
fine pickin'.
addtext-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars

Comments  
Subject: Re: History of Dueling Banjos
From: tutuzdad-ga on 01 Jan 2005 10:31 PST
 
Pinkfreud has clearly answered the question. You asked if the "Dueling
Banjos" tune in the movie Deliverance preceeded the movie. Yes it did.
Even a court of law has sided with Arthur Smith in his claim that the
Dueling Banjos tune was a takeoff of his original "Feuding Banjos"
tune composed in 1955 and that HE (and only HE) should be credited
with having written the music - some 15 years prior to the movie.

I can't see what else you'd want here. Your question has been answered.

tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: History of Dueling Banjos
From: addtext-ga on 01 Jan 2005 11:06 PST
 
I was just hoping to find a history of banjo playing that talks about
the activity of dueling banjos as a phenomenon apart from the movie
(or even a previously recorded song).  I admit Pinkfreud answered the
question as I posed it.

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