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Why are really good puns painful?
Category: Relationships and Society Asked by: poormattie-ga List Price: $3.50 |
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25 Jul 2002 10:59 PDT
Expires: 24 Aug 2002 10:59 PDT Question ID: 45067 |
Why are really good puns painful? Why do they cause people to groan and/or have a physical reaction? This emotional/physical reaction is quite curious, and I'm interested to know more about it. To quote a Nathan Shores from a random post to alt.cuddle: "But tell a really GOOD pun, and everyone writhes around in agony, EXCEPT the punster, who giggles like mad." I would love to see an article, study, or good discussion on why this is so. |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
Answered By: thx1138-ga on 25 Jul 2002 12:45 PDT Rated: |
Hi poormattie and thanks for the question. (picking up the baton! thank you grimace-ga) It would seem from my research that peoples reactions to puns vary alot. Whilst some people groan, howl, laugh etc. others appear to be not amused, but all of these people are impressed by the cleverness of the pun. Those who laugh at the pun are likely to appreciate itīs cleverness of construction, whilst those who groan are probably just wishing they had thought of it first! Like all humour timing is of the essence, and if a pun can be delivered at just the right moment you are bound to make an impact. However to deliver on time is a very difficult thing, you either have to have a good memory and store all those puns just waiting for the right moment, or have the type of quick mind that most of us lack. Anyway, below you will find some very interesting material on puns and the affects they have on people. Definition of a pun: A pun is defined by Webster as "the humorous use of a word, or of words which are formed or sounded alike but have different meanings, in such a way as to play on two or more of the possible applications; a play on words." http://www.punoftheday.com/ A very informative site: This theory suggests that the main reason people in general dislike puns is because they themselves did not make them. http://www.essaydepot.com/essayme/1145/ Why do people groan when a pun is told? A pun is often considered obvious humor, since the person relating it is merely balancing the humor in it on a twist of a word's meaning or sound. Children love this type of obvious humor and can laugh at it without reproachments. Adults, on the other hand, are more likely to have a twinge of envy, and "why didn't I think of that?". It is this envy in adults that subconciously causes them to groan upon hearing a pun. As time goes on, it can only be hoped that we adults will eventually learn to react more like a child and less like a groan-up! http://www.punoftheday.com/ But think of your friends who are always doing puns. Have you noticed that they think they're really pretty funny, even though you don't? Puns are often funnier to the person who thinks them up, because it takes more mental effort to think of a pun on the spot than it does to understand it once it's told to you. http://www.laughterremedy.com/humor2.dir/humor4_00.html Doctors have done many studies as to the physical effects of humor. They have found it to be positive in the heart, immune system and the nervous system. http://rock.uwc.edu/Psych/psy208/witmur/ageing.htm Metamagical Themas (sounds like an interesting read!) ....is partly about science, partly about verbal puns and their equivalents in arithmetic, geometry and computer science http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?salesurl=Ishop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp&isbn=0465045669 A rather unscientific sounding explanation: All in all, the answer lies in simple chemistry. A true pun, when } correctly used, momentarily stuns the hearers, producing a brief } instant of pain. The body, in reaction, pours out seratonin and other } such chemicals almost instantly to dull the pain, leaving a warm and } fuzzy feeling, and occasionally producing euphoria. (Hence the stifled } giggles that often follow the groans of pain when a pun is uttered). http://www.cs.indiana.edu/l/www/pub/oracle/11/1134 Puns may be the lowest form of wit (and "therefore the foundation of all wit" according to Henry Erskine) but do they deserve the scorn that has been heaped upon them by their detractors down through the ages? Coleridge allowed that the pun was "harmless... because it never excites envy." Even Sigmund Freud waded in on the topic explaining the pun's lowly stature with the fact that they are "the cheapest- can be made with the least trouble." Leave it to Oscar Levant to astutely point out: "A pun is the lowest form of humor- if you didn't think of it first." http://puzzles.about.com/library/weekly/aa000609.htm IN DEFENCE OF THE PUN "The assumption that puns are per se contemptible ... is a sign at once of sheepish docility and a desire to seem superior. Puns are good, bad, or indifferent, and only those who lacks the wit to make them are unaware of the fact. http://fanac.org/fanzines/Willis_Papers/Defence_Of_The_Pun.html From the University of Sterling Scotland PSCHOLOGICAL MODELS OF AFFECTIVE DISORDERS MANIC SYMPTOMS. 5. ENDLESS STREAM OF TALK, RAPID TOPIC CHANGE, CONTINUOUS STREAM OF JOKES, PUNS http://www.stir.ac.uk/Departments/HumanSciences/Psychology/4612/kp/DISORDERS1.htm We will conclude by mentioning one implication of this work for another aspect of language use, namely linguistic humor. Puns and other jokes often rely on homonyms for their effects. The aesthetic impact of puns http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~kellym/homonym.html Thank you for the question. THX1138 Some of the search strategy terms I used: puns affect humor physical ://www.google.com/search?hl=pt&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_qdr=all&q=puns+affect+humor+physical&btnG=Pesquisa+Google&lr= | |
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A lot of work went into this for very little cost. Though the answer didn't really ever hit the nail on the head, I'm comfortable with closing the question at this point. |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
From: grimace-ga on 25 Jul 2002 11:20 PDT |
Haven't got very far with this, I'm afraid. Time for someone else to pick up the baton. One of the few useful sites I dug up revealed that, interestingly, far from being painful, puns can also be therapeutic. Apparently, Thoreau was 'prescribed' a course of puns by his doctor after he discovered that he was prone to consumption: "Puns became a kind of self-therapy for him" University Times http://www.pitt.edu/utimes/issues/33/010405/20.html |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
From: j_philipp-ga on 25 Jul 2002 12:59 PDT |
Quote James Merrill on puns: http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/m_r/merrill/puns.htm "It is suffered, by and large, with groans of aversion (...) Indeed, the punster has touched, and knows it if only for being so promptly shamed, upon a secret, fecund place in language herself. The puns objet trouvé aspect cheapens it further -- why? A Freudian slip is taken seriously: it betrays its makers hidden wish. The pun (or the rhyme, for that matter) "merely" betrays the hidden wish of words." A comment by Mulu Konuk Blasing on same page: "Hence, as Merrill defends them, puns are immoral (there can be no question of "justice" or "equity"), cheap (their "wealth" has no measurable value and posits no standard for such evaluation), transgressive (of the naming father and the hierarchical structures of substitution, whether of name for thing or vehicle for tenor), and "unseemly" (they offer forbidden sexual pleasure and economize on psychic expenditure -- by skirting the economy of sublimation)." |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
From: cogpsych-ga on 25 Jul 2002 13:55 PDT |
I'm sure that puns have some therapeutic value, although it probably depends on the kind of person on the receiving end. For example: A woman told a series of ten jokes to a depressed friend in an effort to cheer him up. Unfortunately, no pun in ten did. |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 25 Jul 2002 15:24 PDT |
The more childish sorts of puns aren't particularly painful, since they are not yet full groan. ;-) |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
From: stockzguy-ga on 25 Jul 2002 21:40 PDT |
Umm pink, I give that 2/3 of a pun... PU :) |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
From: poormattie-ga on 25 Jul 2002 22:23 PDT |
-groan- |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
From: nayna-ga on 29 Jul 2002 16:22 PDT |
I have observed an interesting thing with humor/pain/release/laughing: Have you ever noticed that tickling is most successful where the lymph nodes are (under the knees, in the armpits, etc) -- perhaps they are relieving congestion there -- hence the fun(usually) squirmy affect maybe puns and jokes in general work similarly - they jog a region of cognitive confusion and relase any congestion think about it. watch standup comedy and hbo or whatever - people laugh hardest about stuff that is collectively confusing or societally troubled (that in itself is funny) laughing together is collectively throwing some light on a scary area |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
From: steph1000-ga on 02 Dec 2002 03:01 PST |
Humor is about "truth and pain" (see "The Comic Toolbox" by John Vorhaus). Puns, by themselves, are a failed attempt at humor. The failure of the joke is itself painful and sometimes that same *failure* may even be funny. |
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Re: Why are really good puns painful?
From: pointyhairedboss-ga on 13 Feb 2003 19:41 PST |
There is some good evidence of a non-scientific nature but still of high pedigree that puns are either bad for your health or symptoms of poor health. From http://pub116.ezboard.com/fderenswritersblockfrm30.showMessage?topicID=95.topic A shoddy source but I can't find a better one. Keats last letter (ie. on his deathbed) Note particularly "and at my worst, even in Quarantine, summoned up more puns, in a sort of desperation, in one week than in any year of my life. " full text follows: To Charles Brown, Rome, 30 November 1820 My Dear Brown, 'Tis the most difficult thing in the world to me to write a letter. My stomach continues so bad, that I feel it worse on opening any book,--yet I am much better than I was in Quarantine. Then I am afraid to encounter the proing and conning of any thing interesting to me in England. I have an habitual feeling of my real life having past, and that I am leading a posthumous existence. God knows how it would have been--but it appears to me--however, I will not speak of that subject. I must have been at Bedhampton nearly at the time you were writing me from Chichester--how unfortunate--and to pass on the river too! There was my star predominant! I cannot answer any thin in your letter, which followed me from Naples to Rome, because I am afraid to look it over again. I am so weak (in mind) that I cannot bear the sight of any hand writing of a friend I love so much as I do you. Yet I ride the little horse,--and at my worst, even in Quarantine, summoned up more puns, in a sort of desperation, in one week than in any year of my life. There is one thought enough to kill me--I have been well, healthy, alert &c, walking with her--and now--the knowledge of contrast, feeling for light and shade, all that information (primitive sense) necessary for a poem are great enemies to the recovery of the stomach. There, you rogue, I put you to the torture,--but you must bring your philosophy to bear--as I do mine, really--or how should I be able to live? Dr Clarke is ver attentive to me; he says, there is very little the matter with my lungs, but my stomach, he says, is very bad. I am well disappointed in hearing good news from George--for it ruins in my head we shall all die young. I have no written to XXXXX yet, which he must think me very neglectful; being anxiout to send him a good account of my health, I have delayed it from week to week. If I recover, I will do all in my power to correct the mistakes made during sickness; and if I should not, all my faults will be forgiven. Ishall write to xxx tomorrow, or next day, I will write to xxxxx in the middle of next week. Severn is very well, though he leaeds so dull a life with me. Remeber me to all firends, and tell xxxx I should not have left London without taking leave of him, but from being so low in body and mind. Write to George as soon as you receive this, and tell him how I am, as far as you can guess;--and also a note to my sister--who walks about my imagination like a ghost--she is so like Tom. I can scarcely bid you goodbye even in a letter. I always made an awkward bow. God bless you! John Keats |
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