I would like to full and complete text of remarks made by Charles
Lichtenstein of the US Mission to the United Nations sometime in late
1983 or early 1984.  Subject: response to complaints by some member
nations that the UN host country, the US, was violating the UN charter
by impeding the free movement of some diplomats.

Paraphrased samples of text, from memory: "If in the judicious
determination of some members they feel they have not been afforded
the courtesy to which they are due, then the United States strongly
suggests those member nations seriously consider removing themselves
and their missions from the soil of the United States..."

"We will put no impediment in your way.  We will be down at the
dockside waving a fond farewell as you sail into the sunset."

Background: Soviets had shot down KAL007 31 Aug. 1983.  Gromyko was
soon thereafter visiting NY to give speech at UN.  Governors of NY,
NJ, CT refused Gromyko's plane landing permission.  After he finally
did land somewhere, the Soviet mission began to publicly complain to
the UN General Assembly, I believe.  Those complaints prompted Mr.
Lichtenstein's remarks.

I will pay up to $10.00 for the full and complete text of those remarks.

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Request for Question Clarification by juggler-ga on 03 Jan 2005 01:36 PST

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "full and complete text."  If
you're asking for a complete transcript of any and all remarks that
Charles L. in that particular U.N. session, I don't have information.

However, I can provide you with the complete version of the quotation
that was published in newspapers at the time.  The wording is a bit
different than what you remember, but  the published remarks were not
significantly more extensive than what you mention.

What do you think?

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Request for Question Clarification by juggler-ga on 03 Jan 2005 01:38 PST

Sorry for that typo:

"...remarks that Charles L. made in that particular U.N. session, I
don't have that information."

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Clarification of Question by mbumburu-ga on 03 Jan 2005 02:07 PST

Many thanks for the quick response.  I'm looking for the "full and
complete text" of Mr. Lichtenstein's direct response to the
complaints.  That is, his full and complete answer, which I recall was
a bit longer than what I paraphrased.  Unless they specifically
identify their reporting as "full and complete texts" or something
similar, I'm generally wary of newspaper accounts, as I don't believe
they are complete.  If you find a newspaper account claiming to give
the full and complete text of Mr. L's answer, let's go for it -- I'll
buy it.  Lexis/Nexis should have this somewhere.  If it helps, I
recall that the conservative newspaper Human Events published his
answer in toto at the time.

Doesn't the UN have a record of all remarks, etc. similar to the U.S.
Congressional Record??

Thanks.

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Request for Question Clarification by juggler-ga on 03 Jan 2005 02:45 PST

I'll be perfectly candid.  I can direct you to the New York Times
article that covered the remarks the day after they were made.  It's a
fairly detailed front-page story, and it contains the quotations that
you reference and a few additional remarks.

The remarks were made at a UN committee meeting in which the US
representative spent the better part of the meeting verbally sparring
with the Soviet representative.  It seems pretty clear from the
article that many words were exchanged that day, only some of which
were reported.

The bottom line is that, no, the New York Times article does not
present itself as the "full and complete text" of everything that was
said.  Nonetheless, if you're interested in the NYT article, let me
know.  If not, I wish you luck in your search!

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Clarification of Question by mbumburu-ga on 03 Jan 2005 02:51 PST

Cool -- let's go for it.  Appreciate the straight shooting.

Okay, actually the quotation appears in two NYT articles on September 20, 1983.

"U.S. Aide Suggests Members Take The U.N. Elsewhere if Dissatisfied"
By RICHARD BERNSTEIN; New York Times; Sep 20, 1983; pg. A1,

"Quotations of the Day"; Sep 20, 1983; pg. B1

Both articles may be purchased from the NYT historical archive:
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/nytimes/results.html?st=advanced&QryTxt=lichenstein+impediment&x=0&y=0&By=&Title=&datetype=6&frommonth=09&fromday=20&fromyear=1983&tomonth=09&today=20&toyear=1983&restrict=articles&sortby=REVERSE_CHRON


As indicated in those articles, Charles M. Lichenstein's famous
quotation was as follows:

"If in the judicious determination of the members of the United
Nations, they feel that they are not welcome and that they are not
being treated with the hostly consideration that is their due, then
the United States strongly encourages such member states seriously to
consider removing themselves and this organization from the soil of
the United States. We will put no impediment in your way. The members
of the U.S. mission to the United Nations will be down at dockside
waving you a fond farewell as you sail into the sunset."


Other remarks reportedly made by Mr Lichenstein include:

"Normal conditions ceased to obtain when the Soviet Union shot down a
civilian airliner with the loss of 269 lives."

"Our agreement has nothing to do with letting anyone come and go by
any means  they choose at any place they choose at any time they
choose. There is a commodious and convenient air base at McGuire in
New Jersey...
We won't even shoot it down if it strays from its designated air path."

source:
"U.S. Aide Suggests Members Take The U.N. Elsewhere if Dissatisfied"
By RICHARD BERNSTEIN; New York Times; Sep 20, 1983; pg. A1

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search strategy:
new york times historical archive, lichenstein, impediment

Thanks.

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Clarification of Answer by juggler-ga on 03 Jan 2005 03:29 PST

I should note that the "Quotations of the Day" article does not
contain any information not also contained in the other article, so
you might not bother obtaining that one.