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Magnetic Properties of Various Metals
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: carlpdt236-ga List Price: $3.00 |
Posted:
05 Jan 2005 10:13 PST
Expires: 04 Feb 2005 10:13 PST Question ID: 452419 |
I am currently involved in a senior engineering project at my school. The project involves various metals and the magnetic and electrical properties of those metals. We are currently using modeling software to determine shapes and strengths of magnetic fields around the parts. To complete the modeling we need certain graphs/curves for all metals involved. The metals that we are using are: Stainless Steel 410, Stainless Steel 416, and Stainless Steel 430F, 1117 Steel, 1215 Steel, and 12L14 Steel. What I have been looking for for about a week now are the Induction (B) vs. External Magnetic Field (H) graphs for the materials listed above. These are sometimes referred to as BH diagrams. Induction can also be referred to as Flux Density (I believe). I need to know where I can find the curves/graphs for the materials above. A graph with specific data points rather than a generalized line is needed. |
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Re: Magnetic Properties of Various Metals
From: guzzi-ga on 05 Jan 2005 19:30 PST |
?Magnetics? is a branch of electrics / electronics which even many experienced designers shy away from. I don?t say ?material engineering? or metallurgy because the magnetic characteristics of materials are primarily the province of electrics / electronics. Before you embark upon this, it would be wise to try to get to grips with the fundamentals of the discipline. There are many terms which you really should familiarise yourself with otherwise you may be mislead by the data. There is unfortunately a slight shortage of books which explain in clear terms but there is good info on the web. BH curves are also known as hysteresis loops, for reasons which hopefully will become clear to you after a bit of research. Don?t want to discourage you, quite the contrary, so good experimenting. I might get back to you with graphs if no one else does. Best |
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Re: Magnetic Properties of Various Metals
From: pugwashjw-ga on 05 Jan 2005 22:22 PST |
This may or may not be of some help, but look up in your library or contact companies extracting mineral sands. The machines they use to process the naturally occurring sands use both electrical and magnetic separation. The ores are ilmenite, rutile,zircon, monazite and zenotime. |
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Re: Magnetic Properties of Various Metals
From: hedgie-ga on 05 Jan 2005 22:42 PST |
Perhaps contacting a suplier sales office would produce sama data sheets http://www.mceproducts.com/knowledge/knowledgedt.asp?id=18 |
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Re: Magnetic Properties of Various Metals
From: guzzi-ga on 06 Jan 2005 18:29 PST |
I did a bit of web-hunting but couldn?t find direct links to your required information. As ?hedgie? says, contacting sites such as the one he refers to is possibly your best route. Couple of other links which were informative :- http://www.key-to-steel.com/ http://www.matweb.com/index.asp?ckck=1 .....and a pdf cross-referencing ss grades :- http://isaksen.home.cern.ch/isaksen/cern/papers/stainless-steel-info.pdf The problem you will have with the modelling software (finite element one presumes) is that unless you have a dynamic library for the materials, results will be at best misleading. Permeability is never linear, so the BH takes the form of a loop, flattening out at the onset of saturation. In complete saturation the relative permeability (not absolute permeability) is unity. Results depend upon field strength, the previous magnetisation and even the shape of the material which was tested. If you test a bar with a magnetising coil round it, the results are very different to that of a toroid. With a bar, the air path stores the bulk of the field energy, though similar results to a toroid can be obtained by closing the magnetic loop with a suitable high permeability material. Then there is the frequency to be considered. The broader the loop, the greater the hysteresis loss -- and that is aside from eddy current loss which is also a complex affair. BH is dynamic, therefore usually AC or at least fluctuating. In the light of all the complications, I would suggest perhaps you limit yourself to slightly less ambitious undertakings. You say you would be happy with point data. That?s fine up to a point (sorry) but the dynamic nature relies upon what preceded. Remember, BH is a loop. Sorry for perhaps sounding so negative. That?s not my intent. Merely sketching the monumental task which you have set yourself if you want to present meaningful information. Add a comment if you think I (or others) can add further confusion :-) Best |
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