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Getting Invention idea evaluated cheaply while ensuring a little $ from it.
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: planner1-ga List Price: $50.00 |
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05 Jan 2005 14:10 PST
Expires: 04 Feb 2005 14:10 PST Question ID: 452556 |
I have a merely verbal idea for a medical appliance that could save possibly $millions in geriatric care every year. I don't have design abilities, venture capital or skill in researching the US patent data base. I've googled this idea a little and haven't found anything like the appliance in medical appliance supply houses, nor through conversations with geriatric nurses. I have an "inventors notebook" with just the dated verbal description. I don't want to pay an explotatitve "invention submission" law firm the about $500 they'd want for a search. On the other hand, if I haven't re-invented the wheel and the idea has merit, I'd be content with a very small piece of its worth, say 2% of net profit. How can I expose my idea and to whom, get it patent searched and exposed to possible design and financing sources, while hopefully ensuring that I can make a modest amount of money from it, if it is worthy of production? |
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Re: Getting Invention idea evaluated cheaply while ensuring a little $ from it.
Answered By: wonko-ga on 18 Jan 2005 14:30 PST Rated: |
I have worked with a number of small inventors like yourself, and, while there is certainly effort required on your part, you can protect your idea and investigate its value for about a year without excessive expense. Searching the United States patent database really is not as complicated as it looks. Furthermore, at this stage, the expense of a formal patent search is probably not that worthwhile, and unless you are careful about who does it, it is potentially not going to be very good. If you use the Advanced Search option, located at http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-adv.htm, you can look for relevant patents based on keywords from 1976 to present. Each patent will have its US classification associated with it. After you have identified potentially relevant patents based on keywords, you can then use their associated classifications to look for other relevant patents from 1790 through 1975. Provided that you are familiar with the appropriate terminology related to your invention, you should have success identifying the relevant "prior art." Please be aware that foreign patents can also be used to prevent you from getting a patent in the United States, even if the object has not been patented in the United States, and that any patent search is immediately invalidated because there are new inventions arriving at the patent office every day. You are reducing the risk that your invention is already out there, but you cannot truly eliminate it. Furthermore, even professional patent searches rarely look for international patents because of the sheer number of patent offices that would have to be searched and language translation issues. The other thing you can do is obtain a provisional patent, which will save you the expense and complexity of filing a formal utility patent application for one year while giving you protection from others taking your idea from you. "Provisional Application for Patent" at the United States Patent and Trademark Office web site (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/provapp.htm) provides an extensive description of the provisional patent application. It is much less expensive than the formal utility patent application, and the requirements for how the materials must be presented are much looser. You can include your notebook pages, sketches, and black-and-white photographs of any prototypes you make. You will want to describe your invention, along with any variations you can think of, in as much detail as possible, but you are not committing yourself to a specific design or designs until you file your formal utility patent application in no later than one year. You are permitted to file both provisional patent applications and regular utility patent applications by yourself without employing professionals if you so desire. However, your likelihood of obtaining a utility patent that is commercially meaningful without the assistance of a qualified professional is poor because the process is complex. To save money on the patent application process, you can choose to use a patent agent rather than a patent attorney. A patent agent has passed the patent bar and is permitted to prosecute a patent application on your behalf. Unlike a patent attorney, though, a patent agent cannot litigate. Once you have filed your positional patent application, you can then mark any prototypes or versions of your invention that you offer for sale "patent pending." You are also then in a position to discuss your invention with other people without them being able to easily take it from you. One approach for evaluating the market potential of an invention that many inventors I have worked with have taken that has been successful is to identify potential end-users of their devices and get their input on them. From these end-users, inventors have learned what salespeople typically call on them to sell related devices, and then they have used enthusiastic end-users to get them in contact with the salespeople. When the salespeople are interested, the inventors have been able to work their way up the food chain to a manufacturer, or have been able to use the salespeople themselves if the salespeople are independent brokers and the inventor chooses to manage the manufacture of their invention themselves. You will certainly have more success in attracting the interest of end users and potential manufacturers and investors if you have a working prototype, but you are not required to have anything other than a functional design expressed in words and drawings to receive a patent. The closer your prototype is to a workable product, though, the easier it is for other people to understand it and appreciate it. End users and others in the industry can be valuable sources of financial and design assistance or can refer you to sources of assistance as well. Other alternatives for design assistance could be the hiring of an engineer, such as those at www.weinvent.com. Good luck with your invention. Sincerely, Wonko |
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This is very good,worth the posted price. I found out about a company that allegedly will design and market for someone with just an idea, but when calling it got no response to a message left. I did find the web site mentioned (as well as the ads. above on this answer page.) How do I authorize payment? |
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Re: Getting Invention idea evaluated cheaply while ensuring a little $ from it.
From: smeeve-ga on 06 Jan 2005 01:44 PST |
Dear Planner, This invention follows the patterns of other ideas and how they get into destination markets. It is similar to selling an independent movie, or going public with your gold staking grounds. Except your market is the medical industry. Take it from a veteran, it is worth the effort. In a nutshell: 1.It is all business. From the beginning to the end, visualize the whole business process in your mind. 2. Design it, create a rough prototype. 3.Paten it at the UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE 4.Take it to conferences ? that deal with the medical industry 5.Cut the deal - the toughest part. Details: 1.Business: Since it is all business, you must think very carefully and be specific about details. A blind man told me not to get up until you see exactly how you will get there. He visualized the path even though he was blind. Think of what the cost, cash flows are and the legal responsibilities. Who will have the money to pay for such invention? I am not talking to sell it to individuals. Sell it to the big guys, the manufacturers. Sales guys who are very experienced at it approach the manufacturers, or else the manufacturers go to conferences themselves. Sales guys hunt people like you. And if they think they can sell what you got, they will hound you and play each other off to get your work. Manufacturers get distributors who sell it to wholesalers or retailers who pass it on to the consumers. You want the big fish. Now, your job is to find out who the big fish, manufacturers are. Do this by going to one of those stores that supply such items. Write the names of the manufacturers from the labels on these products. Your job is to find out where do these manufacturers get their ideas. Call them and ask for the top management who is in charge of acquiring new inventions, ask what conferences are they planning on visiting next or if they stick to certain sales guys. Often they either tell you what they will attend or they will ask you to send them some pictures. Watch out. Ensure it is patented by the time you send a picture. Contracts will be later. Costs. Do not worry about producing mass-market merchandise. Think of at the initial costs only. There are plenty of distributors/manufacturers who are looking for a new product. Where do you find them? At the conferences where new me suppliers are presented by individuals as yourself. Ok, how much will you need? This is the cash flow that you will need. It requires you to really think about the details: Money to create a working prototype Patent money. Do not worry about the lawyers yet. Patent info is below. Money to travel to specific conferences including entry fees. Lawyer fund, for the contract. 2.Design a working prototype. Make it look very presentable. Design a new one if it gets ugly. Do it until it looks like something that you just bought. You are selling this. It says a lot about your product. Take a few pictures and how it should be used, make a color page about it that say your name and your contact, and the benefits of it. Make a few business cards. You will need these when you go to the conferences/manufacturers. 3.Patent: Do not worry about the search unless you plan on using someone else?s work that you will enhance. Copyright the patent at: http://www.uspto.gov/ Fees: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/qs/ope/fee2004dec08.htm I got it from here: http://www.copyright.gov/ Follow the forms. If they are complicated, go to the library and get a self-help book or some help book for dummies on patents. US has the best property rights laws in the world. If you are in Canada, these patents are also protected through this office. It is your proof that you came up with it first. 4. Conferences This is the tough part. Make sure you allot enough of a budget to wine and dine the acquisition executives. First, find out where the conferences are. Be specific because you only need a few reputable ones to go to. These usually happen every year, around the same time, in specific large cities, in the same stadiums/conference halls. Search the web. Large public libraries will have magazines, the conference promoters like to advertise there. Scan a whole year of a reputable publication/magazine for the conference to figure out what month they usually happen and where. Usually they will have one big one on each coast plus Canada. Sign up. And, as above, find out where the big fish are planning to attend. This is where the honey is. Three moths prior to the conference call the acquisition person and ask for an appointment if necessary, send them a picture, do a website etc. You want to be visible to those guys. Confirm the dates. Sales. 5. Contract. These come in various shapes and forms. This is it. If acquirers think they can sell it, they will work on you. Scammers get more creative, real guys do not want to overpay. The difference between them can be recognized when you use your judgment - common sense. If you have to pay = stay away. During your visualization, imagine how many customers the manufacturers can get. What kind of pay you would be happy with. If you have never seen such a contract, to get ideas about realistic industry contracts, I would recommend for you to read financial statements of manufacturers/distributors listed on the stock exchange or the OTC exchanges. Go straight to the notes to the financial statements. Often, in the notes to the FS, they will give some detail in the intellectual properties section on what type of products they have and what contracts are they are bound by (% of royalties, flat payments, stock options, shares, etc). Also check the section for Contingencies and anything to do with obligations. That will give you an idea. You do not want a contract based on profit only. What will happen is they will do profit loss statement, add a few management fees, and you get 0 profit. You might as well invest your time in a trip to a tropical place. You do not want a contract where they get you to pay for all the travel and selling expenses and they will promote your product because they will travel well and drink expensive wine at your cost. You do not want deferred income. They will pay you later. When? Exactly. You want a % of gross proceeds. Gross means before expenses. Make sure the contract says when the payment is due and minimum installments. Yes to Flat payment to obtain the right to promote the product for a limited time to specific regions. Money up front is nice. You are probably broke by now. After the expiry date, you retain the right to get someone else to promote it in case these guys cannot do this. Regions. The right to sell it in USA to 280 million people is worth more than the right to sell it to 40 million people in Canada. Europe? See the picture? Yes to flat payment to buy it out right if the price is right to you. Do not underestimate your product. Yes to Royalties and a combination of the above. Eg. flat payment plus % of profits or % of gross proceeds or royalties, stock options, shares ... These are some of the tactics/questions they will ask/use: Q: What did it cost you to make it? A: Under such and such... keep it low... Tactic: Make you feel like your product is common, not unique, useless, but look, here I am to save you from this nuisance, and this is the best offer anyone will give you, aren't you glad that I came to save you from you product? This is what one conversation was like: Your product is great. You know there are other inventions. They are great too. Yours cannot do this... It seems expensive to produce... It will be hard to push this product. But I am thinking that if you pay me up front $10,000 and I will promote it for you... You get 1% of the profit. I am not kidding these guys are gurus at finding suckers. Ensure all you patent ducks are in a row. They will need a contract that ensures they will have exclusive rights and no infringement. If they want to sign today, ask them to send you the contract. Take diligent time. Everythng. Again, EVERYTHING in that contract is negotiable. First negotiate. Come up to reasonable terms. Then take it to a lawyer, he will review it. Before you shake the hand, and sign, ask when you can pick up the money. Or when it will be wired to you. Delay in pay, talk to the other contact you made at the conference. Hope this helps. The first time it is a bit painful. The second time comes like second nature. You can do this. Anyone can do this. It is done all the time. Go to any show/ conference to see an example. It is so rewarding. If you do not do anything about it, in a few years you will be kicking yourself. But when you get so excided about it and try it and see things happen- it is the best. Go to the top page and read the nutshell points again. Eve |
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Re: Getting Invention idea evaluated cheaply while ensuring a little $ from it.
From: planner1-ga on 06 Jan 2005 07:24 PST |
Thanks ever so much, Eve, for your extensive comment. Although retired, I find myself working full-time as an (unpaid) elected official. I made the mistake of running for and winning a seat on my borough council, which is heavily involved on the losing side in big-stakes litigation I'm trying to end. (I'm in Pennsylvania.)I just don't have the mechanical design talent, time or motivation and don't really need any money out of the idea. It arose out of the experience of observing how my mother, at age 90, with Alzheimers and dimmed senses, but still mobile, got injured, even though in a (good) nursing home, and eventually died. The spiral toward her death was a fairly typical for many "difficult to manage" care-needing seniors and I believe the invention I thought of could extend life and reduce costs of such care. If this invention was feasible and useful, I'd love to see it produced in Pennsylvania, or at least the U.S.A. (I had the idea of an "invention convention" bringing together people with verbal ideas, designers and venture capitalists to see if American ingenuity with localism could invent our way out of our job loss crisis.) There's a state government organization callled the "Ben Franklin Partnership" which I thought was supposed to foster such invention. I wrote to it but never got an answer. Also, I never got a response from local economic development and government officials on the invention convention idea. |
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Re: Getting Invention idea evaluated cheaply while ensuring a little $ from it.
From: smeeve-ga on 07 Jan 2005 23:20 PST |
Hey, I understand. Sorry to hear that you had no reply from these organizations. An idea without full design cannot be patented. The forms require extensive documentations. I do not know too many engineers/business people who would invest time and money in a verbal idea/pictues without seeing the item. If you ever decide not to care about getting any income from it, you may want to consider posting it on the web... The pages from the "inventors notebook" that is. Cheers. |
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Re: Getting Invention idea evaluated cheaply while ensuring a little $ from it.
From: ipfan-ga on 14 Jan 2005 09:38 PST |
Please remember that (a) without a patent or a binding non-disclosure agreement, anyone to whom you show your idea may take it and exploit it fully with complete impunity; and (b), you cannot get a patent in the US if you have offered your invention for sale more than one year prior to the application date of the patent. This is known as "the on-sale bar." Moral: get a patent before you share your idea with ANYONE. If you cannot wait, then get written non-disclosure agreements which contain "non-use" provisions before you let anyone see your idea. Any such agreement should also recite that you are not offering the invention for sale to the recipient (to avoid the on-sale bar problem should you elect to apply for a patent). |
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