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Subject: Putting up shelves
Category: Family and Home
Asked by: stancranley-ga
List Price: $12.50
Posted: 07 Jan 2005 03:37 PST
Expires: 06 Feb 2005 03:37 PST
Question ID: 453486
I would like to put shelves up on my wall, mostly for books

I would like to accomplish this in the cheapest, easiest way possible.
 The shelves do not need to look appealing, but they need to be very
sturdy. I don't want my shelves to slump, slant or fall down after I
put them up.

I need suggestions for:
1)materials, products and tools I should use - be as specific as possible
2)online stores where I can buy these materials and have them shipped
to me at a reasonable price
3)techniques & detailed step-by-step instructions

I am the least handy person in the world, so you must explain
everything to me as if I'm idiot.  Once again, my primary concerns are
ease, affordability, and durability

Request for Question Clarification by cynthia-ga on 07 Jan 2005 05:37 PST
stancranley,

I've been using MDF 1 X 8's (a by-product of lumber, but much denser
than particle-board) and 12" X 4" "decorator/patio bricks.  I use 4
bricks per 1 8' board because I don't like the boards to sag either. 
I have 8 boards and 24 bricks.  I put the first board on the rug to
create a very sturdy base and placed something(don't remember) under
the front edge of that first board so it would always tilt TOWARDS the
wall.  My shelves are 7' tall and 8' wide.  Very durable, very cheap,
easy to move.

With 4 bricks per board, the shelves end up looking like library
shelves with compartments where you can catagorize your books.  They
look fine!

The bricks are about $1.50 a piece, and the boards are about$12-$15.00
each.  I think Lowes and Home Depot deliver, but I'm not sure.


Or my favorite, if you like the price of FREE:

Craigs List
http://www.craigslist.org
On the right, select your city.  Then, in the center of the resulting
page, under FOR SALE, select FREE.

Freecycle
http://www.freecycle.org
Select your Region, then your State, then City for the group nearest you.

If you use one of these ideas, and wish to accept it as your Answer,
please don't hesitate to let me know via the CLARIFY feature. That
will trigger an email to me stating you have posted.

~~Cynthia

Request for Question Clarification by cynthia-ga on 07 Jan 2005 05:39 PST
I forgot that the MDF comes in different colors...  And if you like
the idea, I will post the links and get all the shipping/delivery
information.

I would need your zip code.

Clarification of Question by stancranley-ga on 07 Jan 2005 06:06 PST
This sounds like a very cool idea.  However, it would not work for me
because my reason for putting up shelves would be to conserve floor
space.

I need the first shelf to be at least 5 feet off the floor.

I should have mentioned that in my original request.

Request for Question Clarification by writeon-ga on 24 Jan 2005 10:56 PST
I'm a retired carpenter and I'd love to help if I can but I need a bit
more info. How long will your shelves be? (Important since the longer
they are, the more support you'll need). Also, are you putting the
shelves between existing walls (kind of like built-in shelves)?  Or is
there one wall that can act as one side for the shelving? If you're
building shelves without any existing support on the sides, you'll
most likely have to put some in.  An alternative is to use the
vinyl-coated wire shelving (like closet organizers) if appearance is
not a concern. These kits come with vertical pole supports that act as
legs.
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Subject: Re: Putting up shelves
From: guzzi-ga on 07 Jan 2005 18:25 PST
 
I have visions of ?cynthia? building computer cases out of MDF and
bricks. Tasteful. As mentioned though, MDF does sag and needs lots of
support. Also, MDF has been banned in some countries because of the
nature of the cut dust. Plywood however is much more stable though a
pig to finish at the cut edges. Ready made wood shelves are available
in many depths, lengths and edge profiles, but for a much cheaper
solution (and for tables etc) tongue and groove floor-board can look
very good if time is spent on finishing. Must clamp to glue but at a
pinch one can clamp with a windlass rope. PVA glue is wonderful on
wood, in case you don?t know, just wipe off the beads with a damp rag
before it sets.

A potentially bigger problem is wall-fixing, especially if loaded with
books. THIS IS AWFULLY IMPORTANT. If straight onto a brick or concrete
wall (or a faced solid wall) ?L? brackets can be secured with
reasonably short screws and plastic plugs. You?ll need a hammer drill
and masonry bits to drill the holes though. If the brackets are to be
fixed to a drywall (plasterboard or whatever it?s called in your
language) you will have to find the wooden supports to screw into.
This can often be done by tapping the wall with a finger knuckle and
listening to the sound. Failing that one can sometimes see slight
depressions where the board is nailed to the underlying framework. You
can drill small holes to establish the exact positions and then fill
the holes with filler afterwards.

For finishing, unless you want the rustic look, you?ll need a couple
of grades of sandpaper. Wet-and-dry is best for sanding between paint
or varnish coats because if used wet (with a drop of soap) it doesn?t
clog. Use in conjunction with a basin of water. Oil paints / varnish
give superior finish to water-based acrylics.

So after you have the shelves, at a minimum you will require :-

Spirit-level (to avoid the Homer Simpson look).
Electric drill, possibly with hammer setting.
Drills, possibly masonry drills too.
Sanding paper and sanding block.
Wood saw, unless shelves pre-made.
Suitable screws
Plastic plugs (possibly)
?L? brackets.
Tape measure.
Pencil -- mark hole positions with a cross so you can see if the drill wanders.
Screw drivers.
Pain / varnish.
Swear box.
Cups of tea or coffee.

Either all that or an air ticket for me to do it for you.

There is one other real cheap easy way to do this -- hang the shelves
together supported from wires from the ceiling. If you can locate the
joists, this is a fav student-look shelving system.

Best

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