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Clinton's Economic Policies and Growth
Category: Business and Money > Economics Asked by: drcorday-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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08 Jan 2005 23:19 PST
Expires: 04 Feb 2005 20:15 PST Question ID: 454412 |
What were Clinton's economic policies while president and what effect (positive or negative) did they have on economic growth during that time? Were his policies actually responsible for the growth during his presidency? (Any information regarding the economics of Clinton's policies is useful.) THANK YOU! |
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Re: Clinton's Economic Policies and Growth
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 10 Jan 2005 06:23 PST |
I'm no Clinton expert, however I think he played a very safe game as president (not that that's a good or bad thing... just a thing). He didn't drastacally change anything, he simply went with what he was given and let the economy develop as it did. It is very important to note however that economies aren't changed over night. Most experts agree that anything done today will take a minimum of 2 years to have a major real effect (not a quick burp in the stock market). Then for the full effect of the policy on the economy we have to wait 5 or 10 years. |
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From: pafalafa-ga on 10 Jan 2005 08:54 PST |
The economic boom of the '90's was spurred by the internet, which was invented by...Al Gore! So Clinton definitely gets some credit there, too. |
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From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 10 Jan 2005 11:21 PST |
Ah, how could I have forgotten that. So true Pafa. Al Gore is my hero! |
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From: drcorday-ga on 10 Jan 2005 13:08 PST |
Do I need to clarify this question? Many GOP supporters believe that the robust growth during Clinton's administration was a result of economic policies of the Bush and Reagan administrations. I'm not looking for a political debate, but mostly for an analysis of what kinds of economic policies, from an executive standpoint, have a positive or negative affect on growth. |
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From: drcorday-ga on 10 Jan 2005 13:15 PST |
BTW - The Al Gore thing is a little more complicated than that: http://www.cs.ucsd.edu/users/goguen/courses/275f00/invented.html. But it was funny anyway. |
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From: pafalafa-ga on 10 Jan 2005 15:47 PST |
drcorday-ga, Your question is clear enough, I suspect. It's the answer that's unclear. With so many pundits arguing -- over whether Clinton's policies created the economic boom, helped it along, impeded it, rode the Reagan-era coattails, or were innocent bystanders -- how could we mere researchers hope to sort it all out? |
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From: drcorday-ga on 10 Jan 2005 19:29 PST |
Yeah, pafa, you're right. It's kind of a mess. We'll see if anyone can put together an answer that holds water. Thanks for your comments! |
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From: mczagros-ga on 10 Jan 2005 23:36 PST |
The idea that Reagan's policies would still have a resounding effect a decade later is more a tenet of faith than of rationality. Especially when you consider that his signature effort, the reduction of the tax rate, was partially repudiated by him with his tax increases later in his terms. As for Clinton, I think he profited more from the productivity gains from the PC revolution than the Internet revolution - indeed, the VC money poured into dot coms was an indication of how well things were going than a driver of improvements. I think once we get to the point where economics is more of a real science, we will realize that the economic growth under Clinton was as much a matter of getting a lot of little things right (and not too much really wrong) than any grand economic policies. On the other hand, I think the current administration will be characterized by getting a lot of little things wrong (increased government spending rather than tax cuts in times of a recession are pretty much the proven method to health) resulting in a deeper and longer recession than necessary. |
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From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 11 Jan 2005 06:50 PST |
Before Reagan, the tax rate for the rich (making approx. more than $200,000) was 70%/50% (50% for earned income). Reagan successfully lowered the 70% to 50% in 1982. Then in 1987 he lowered both rates to 38.5%. During the Bush Sr years, that rate was lowered to 33% and finally 31.9%. Lower taxes are clearly an economic spur (when people assume they are going to be lasting). I don't know any economist who would debate that given other constant conditions. In 1993 Clinton raised the tax on the rich to about 40% (rich now defined as making more than $250,000). http://home.att.net/~Resurgence/TaxTimeline.htm As I stated before, the full effect of economic policies takes several years (atleast) to be seen. I'm not at all saying that Clinton's tax increase caused the bust in 2000. But it was clear even to most Reagan haters in the 80s that his huge tax cuts spurred economic growth over the next decade. Unfortunately in the 90s there was a huge dot com bubble. The economy thrived on it. Dispite the higher taxes, people kept pouring money into it. And like every bubble, it had to burst. In my oppinion when Clinton saw that the budget was well under control in 1998 and 1999, he should have cut back the tax increase that he had implemented and the burst likely would have been much softer and the recovery would have happened sooner. However, like I said before... Clinton seemed to avoid controvertial decisions and seemed to lay low under the radar most of the time with his policies so it would have been un-Clinton-like to take such an action. And of course I am now looking at Clinton policy with hinde sight much like many people are now looking at early Bush decisions with hinde sight. |
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From: drcorday-ga on 11 Jan 2005 14:30 PST |
Any more information on the Reagan cuts? I would like to have some more specific dates, and a clearer explanation of what they did for the economy. I'm getting irritated with the blanket partisan explanations. I do not, however, want to ignore other key economic factors that may have played a role. Inflation, the budget, the national debt, interest rates and trade ratios also may be key. I really cannot believe it's as simple as "tax cuts vs. no tax cuts." Maybe, though. Either way, we need some data. |
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From: mczagros-ga on 11 Jan 2005 19:44 PST |
A drastic lowering of the marginal tax rate may indeed spur the economy, but meandering around in the thirties (marginal rates) is unlikely to cause any noticeable change. The two major effects that are supposed to happen is that rich people will work substantially less hard if their marginal rate changes by 6%, and that the higher tax rate will drive up investment costs (by lowering the savings rate and thus sponging up loose capital). Neither of these seem particularly believable at today's rates. The "all else being equal" part is a lie, though. A drop in rates will not leave everything else equal. The government will either have to cut spending or dig deeper into deficit (dynamic scoring being a myth). The former drives up the cost of capital immediately as well as having long-term effects. As for the latter, much of government spending does work as a boost to growth. There is an immediate effect to government spending as money is paid out in wages. Depending on the type of payment, there can be a significant multiplier effect to this disbursement. Unemployment insurance, for example, is an immediate boost (no 2-year lag) to the economy. However, according to the analysts, construction has the biggest multiplier effect. There is another aspect to government spending in that some of it is a type of investment. Building freeways, legal infrastructures and pollution-free neighborhoods work to increase the over-all productivity of a nation. Another example, of course, is the Internet, originally built on the government's dime. It is possible that Al Gore, by allowing the commercialization of the Internet, had a bigger influence on GDP growth than either Clinton or Reagan. I don't know, but the point is that sometimes the smaller, less-visible decisions are the ones that really matter, and we may not be able to tweak out those effects from the news-makers. |
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From: mczagros-ga on 11 Jan 2005 19:48 PST |
To post more directly to Dr. Corday's question, let me steal at length from a famous economist (answer to Dr. Corday's question in the paragraph preceded by **): http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/TaxCutCon.html Ronald Reagan put supply-side theory into practice with his 1981 tax cut. The tax cuts were modest for middle-class families but very large for the well-off. Between 1979 and 1983, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, the average federal tax rate on the top 1 percent of families fell from 37 to 27.7 percent. So did the tax cuts promote economic growth? You might think that all we have to do is look at how the economy performed. But it's not that simple, because different observers read different things from Reagan's economic record. Here's how tax-cut advocates look at it: after a deep slump between 1979 and 1982, the U.S. economy began growing rapidly. Between 1982 and 1989 (the first year of the first George Bush's presidency), the economy grew at an average annual rate of 4.2 percent. That's a lot better than the growth rate of the economy in the late 1970's, and supply-siders claim that these ''Seven Fat Years'' (the title of a book by Robert L. Bartley, the longtime editor of The Wall Street Journal's editorial page) prove the success of Reagan's 1981 tax cut. But skeptics say that rapid growth after 1982 proves nothing: a severe recession is usually followed by a period of fast growth, as unemployed workers and factories are brought back on line. The test of tax cuts as a spur to economic growth is whether they produced more than an ordinary business cycle recovery. Once the economy was back to full employment, was it bigger than you would otherwise have expected? And there Reagan fails the test: between 1979, when the big slump began, and 1989, when the economy finally achieved more or less full employment again, the growth rate was 3 percent, the same as the growth rate between the two previous business cycle peaks in 1973 and 1979. Or to put it another way, by the late 1980's the U.S. economy was about where you would have expected it to be, given the trend in the 1970's. Nothing in the data suggests a supply-side revolution. Does this mean that the Reagan tax cuts had no effect? Of course not. Those tax cuts, combined with increased military spending, provided a good old-fashioned Keynesian boost to demand. And this boost was one factor in the rapid recovery from recession that developed at the end of 1982, though probably not as important as the rapid expansion of the money supply that began in the summer of that year. But the supposed supply-side effects are invisible in the data. While the Reagan tax cuts didn't produce any visible supply-side gains, they did lead to large budget deficits. From the point of view of most economists, this was a bad thing. But for starve-the-beast tax-cutters, deficits are potentially a good thing, because they force the government to shrink. So did Reagan's deficits shrink the beast? A casual glance at the data might suggest not: federal spending as a share of gross domestic product was actually slightly higher at the end of the 1980's than it was at the end of the 1970's. But that number includes both defense spending and ''entitlements,'' mainly Social Security and Medicare, whose growth is automatic unless Congress votes to cut benefits. What's left is a grab bag known as domestic discretionary spending, including everything from courts and national parks to environmental cleanups and education. And domestic discretionary spending fell from 4.5 percent of G.D.P. in 1981 to 3.2 percent in 1988. But that's probably about as far as any president can shrink domestic discretionary spending. And because Reagan couldn't shrink the belly of the beast, entitlements, he couldn't find enough domestic spending cuts to offset his military spending increases and tax cuts. The federal budget went into persistent, alarming, deficit. In response to these deficits, George Bush the elder went back on his ''read my lips'' pledge and raised taxes. Bill Clinton raised them further. And thereby hangs a tale. For Clinton did exactly the opposite of what supply-side economics said you should do: he raised the marginal rate on high-income taxpayers. In 1989, the top 1 percent of families paid, on average, only 28.9 percent of their income in federal taxes; by 1995, that share was up to 36.1 percent. Conservatives confidently awaited a disaster -- but it failed to materialize. In fact, the economy grew at a reasonable pace through Clinton's first term, while the deficit and the unemployment rate went steadily down. And then the news got even better: unemployment fell to its lowest level in decades without causing inflation, while productivity growth accelerated to rates not seen since the 1960's. And the budget deficit turned into an impressive surplus. Tax-cut advocates had claimed the Reagan years as proof of their doctrine's correctness; as we have seen, those claims wilt under close examination. But the Clinton years posed a much greater challenge: here was a president who sharply raised the marginal tax rate on high-income taxpayers, the very rate that the tax-cut movement cares most about. And instead of presiding over an economic disaster, he presided over an economic miracle. **Let's be clear: very few economists think that Clinton's policies were primarily responsible for that miracle. For the most part, the Clinton-era surge probably reflected the maturing of information technology: businesses finally figured out how to make effective use of computers, and the resulting surge in productivity drove the economy forward. But the fact that America's best growth in a generation took place after the government did exactly the opposite of what tax-cutters advocate was a body blow to their doctrine. They tried to make the best of the situation. The good economy of the late 1990's, ardent tax-cutters insisted, was caused by the 1981 tax cut. Early in 2000, Lawrence Kudlow and Stephen Moore, prominent supply-siders, published an article titled ''It's the Reagan Economy, Stupid.'' But anyone who thought about the lags involved found this implausible -- indeed, hilarious. If the tax-cut movement attributed the booming economy of 1999 to a tax cut Reagan pushed through 18 years earlier, why didn't they attribute the economic boom of 1983 and 1984 -- Reagan's ''morning in America'' -- to whatever Lyndon Johnson was doing in 1965 and 1966? |
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Re: Clinton's Economic Policies and Growth
From: drcorday-ga on 11 Jan 2005 21:15 PST |
Thank you, mczagros, you and jack of all trades are bringing me much closer to answering my own question, actually. Especially because I have tidbits of each side's discussion of the economic theory, and mczagros's last response had some more interesting information that the comments have not yet provided. Noting that the subject has been somewhat partisan (which I do expect, but am trying to avoid in a more, well, unbiased approach to the truth), my curiousity got the best of me and wanted to see which presidential candidate was supported by the "expert economists" so frequently quoted but rarely identified. And the Oscar goes to...: I did a google search first for "economists+2004" and "economists+election," the former basically coming up dry, but the second providing some fascinating insights on the candidate's policies and the economic critique thereof: http://economics.about.com/od/nobelprizeineconomics/a/election_nobel_4.htm This article has the background and arguments of 6 Bush-leaning economists and 14 Kerry-leaning economists. I was hesitant to accept the article's validity, as it clearly showed and quantitative bias toward the Democratic candidate, but now have given it serious consideration due to a much simpler Google query. I decided to take a shot in the dark for "economists endorse" and end the search terms right there. Result number one was: "Ten nobel prize winning economists endorse Kerry," followed by article after article about Kerry economists. I still haven't dismissed a possible bias here, and want to underscore that there are significant benefits to supply-side economics. I am also not an expert in either politics or economics, so I don't presume to know "the correct answer" on how to make the economy grow from an executive point of view, but I am finding some patterns. Thanks a lot for your comments! I am still looking for a more comprehensive answer... but thank you all, again. |
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From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 12 Jan 2005 05:27 PST |
I decided to look into these nobel prize winners and found this interesting site: "Who Are These Nobel Prize Winning Economists Supporting Bush or Kerry?" http://economics.about.com/od/nobelprizeineconomics/a/election_nobel.htm It give a bit of background info on each economist and then a blurb of what they said about Kerry/Bush. Unfortunately what you're asking is impossible to answer as even these 16 nobel prize winning economists would probably tell you. And a warning about the article... here is the "conclusion": "There are prominent economists with a great deal of knowledge of economic policy on both sides of the election divide. It is clear from the facts given that the choice for these economists to support Kerry or Bush is somewhat based their own ideological biases. What is unclear is if these Nobel Prize winners in Economics have more insight into which candidate would make the best President as any other informed voter has." Any quest to find knowledge is a good quest, but few things in the world are cut and dry enough to get a complete, correct answer. |
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From: mczagros-ga on 12 Jan 2005 16:21 PST |
That is kind of a weird article in that it is only about looking for biases, that is why they state their conclusion as they do. Come on, these guys are professionals and are the top people in their field, and they break 2 to 1 for a Democrat. It is interesting, and more relevant to this question, that both one of the pro-Bush and one of the pro-Kerry economists praise the Clinton years. In any event, a better source is the Economist's survey of 100 economists that breaks it down to specific policy areas. Again, there is generally a 2 to 1 agreement that Kerry's proposed policies are better. Over 70% think Kerry was better on tax cuts, promoting fiscal discipline and on energy policy. They do think Bush is better on trade. http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3262965 |
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From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 13 Jan 2005 06:17 PST |
That's a fun site Mczagros, I love those graphs (I'm a huge graph fan myself). It sounds like the survey was conducted in a very professional, unbiased way. Unfortunately they state in the article themselves that... "Though most of our professors claim they are not interested in working in Washington, 80% of those who would accept a policy job would prefer to work for Mr Kerry." The university professors do tend to vere towards the democrats. However the data is good stuff regardless and I got much out of it. I think finding unbiased people in our world when it comes to politics (especially when it comes to Bush) is a difficult task. |
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From: mczagros-ga on 15 Jan 2005 13:51 PST |
I doubt that this is all that biased. The economists were asked their professional opinion. If that opinion "biases" them to one side or another, that is different than a bias that predisposes them to only seek confirming evidence. In any event, the numbers suggest a limitation to their bias and that is that the numbers vary according to which question is asked. For example, only about 35% support Kerry on trade issues while 70% agree with him on other issues. That suggests that a good third at least are not blind partisans. |
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