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Please help identify big ornate silvery thing
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: irfeld-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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26 Jul 2002 18:39 PDT
Expires: 25 Aug 2002 18:39 PDT Question ID: 45647 |
Greetings, A friend of mine asked me to help her identify the object pictured below, and I said I would try. Could you possibly give me some idea of what it is? It was given to her by someone who said it is old, and that it came from Spain. It is about the size of a table lamp. That is a yardstick in the picture with it. It is hollow and completely covered with ornate images. It is silver colored. The curved things on the sides look like maybe snakes or dragons. The thing in the middle looks somewhat crab-like. Below are links to 3 pictures of the thing, including a close-up ot the center. Any information you could give me would be appreciated, or if you knoiw anyone who might be able to identify this object, please let me know. Someone suggested that it might be a hooka, but I don't think so. It certainly couldn't hold water, and it has no smell. Thank you. ---Stan K. Freeman http://www2.localaccess.com/sfree/Ophelia1.jpg http://www2.localaccess.com/sfree/Ophelia2.jpg http://www2.localaccess.com/sfree/Ophelia3.jpg | |
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Re: Please help identify big ornate silvery thing
From: knowledge_seeker-ga on 26 Jul 2002 18:42 PDT |
See here for the previous posting of this question -- https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=20158 Just to avoid repeat guesses :-) -K~ |
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Re: Please help identify big ornate silvery thing
From: pinkfreud-ga on 26 Jul 2002 19:22 PDT |
I am no expert in antiquities, but your artifact looks to me as if it might be an old Asian censer (incense burner,) possibly from China. These were sometimes very large and ornate. I liked the "hookah" suggestion given by huntsman-ga in your other thread, but the pierced work in the center (the crab-like medallion) looks to me as if it is designed to disperse something. Hookahs hold smoke in, while censers let it out. Here are links to photos of a couple of large antique Asian censers, as an example of the sort of thing I mean. Neither resembles yours very closely in detail, but the general "tower" shape and the ornate decorations remind me of your piece. The item shown in the second link was sold for nearly three-quarters of a million dollars, so I would think a professional, up-close appraisal would be well worth an investment. http://www.alexcooper.com/AntiqueAuctions/images/5009.001.jpg http://www.christies.com/images/departments/sea/sea_ep1.jpg |
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Re: Please help identify big ornate silvery thing
From: pinkfreud-ga on 26 Jul 2002 19:39 PDT |
Regarding the absence of an odor, if the object is quite old, one would not expect it to have retained odors from smoke or incense or snakes or whatever it was designed to hold. One of my friends has, in his living room, an "Arguileh," a huge brass hookah-style waterpipe, that was heavily used in the 1960s for the inhalation of herbal substances; today it has no smoky smell whatsoever. |
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Re: Please help identify big ornate silvery thing
From: expertlaw-ga on 26 Jul 2002 21:17 PDT |
On the bottom, are there any stamps, seals, or other marks that might have been left by the original manufacturer or artisan? |
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Re: Please help identify big ornate silvery thing
From: davidsar-ga on 27 Jul 2002 09:05 PDT |
Stan...I sure hope you find out what this thing is. I know I'm curious! |
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Re: Please help identify big ornate silvery thing
From: expertlaw-ga on 28 Jul 2002 10:34 PDT |
I can think of a another test to see if it could hold water: Pour water into it. If it gushes out the front, it can't hold water. ;-) Something not previously addressed - are the front and back the same? If the back is not decorated, it suggests that the back was likely meant to face away from people viewing the item. This may be a design based upon a functional item (such at the suggested hookah), but meant to be purely decorative (and thus constructed in a non-functional manner). I think huntsman-ga is correct in suggesting that the base and body of the "thing" are of different metals. But that doesn't mean that the base was not part of the original design and manufacture. The base appears to be cast. The body appears to have been produced by hammering a thin sheet of metal over a form. The difference in metals may not have been apparent, at least initially, if the whole piece was subsequently plated. |
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Re: Please help identify big ornate silvery thing
From: huntsman-ga on 29 Jul 2002 10:11 PDT |
Regarding a water test vs. light or smoke: I was trying to think of a non-invasive test that would not harm the item in any way. There's no telling what type of corrosion might exist on the interior of this piece, and you certainly wouldn't want to aggravate it. Huntsman |
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Re: Please help identify big ornate silvery thing
From: expertlaw-ga on 29 Jul 2002 21:59 PDT |
That's the difference between your suggestion and mine. You were being helpful, whereas I was being a smarta**. ;-) |
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