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Two delta functions in integral
Category: Science > Math Asked by: freemand-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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13 Jan 2005 13:42 PST
Expires: 12 Feb 2005 13:42 PST Question ID: 456807 |
solution of integral integral { delta / (A1 + (A2 * delta)) } dx A1,A2 - constant delta - is delta function http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DeltaFunction.html Integral writen in TeX : \int{\frac{\delta(x-a)}{C_1 + (C_2 * \delta(x-a))} }dx | |
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Re: Two delta functions in integral
From: mathtalk-ga on 13 Jan 2005 16:25 PST |
I'd say zero, unless A2 = 0, in which case I'd say 1/A1. The delta "function" is not really a function, although it can be rigorously defined as a "generalized function" in the sense of distribution theory. However things are far from being stated in a rigorous framework here. The idea is to define a linear functional which "acts" like an integral with respect to a discontinuous "point mass" distribution, but which is simply evaluation of a function at a point: INTEGRAL delta(x-a) * f(x) dx = f(a) In your case this suggests "evaluating" 1/(A1 + A2*delta) at x = a. Since delta is not really a function, it can't rigorously be said to evaluate to +oo at x = a, but this is sort of the case. What you can do is express delta(x-a) as the "weak" limit of a sequence of honest-to-goodness functions whose densities converge to an infinite spike at x = a, each having area 1 under the curve. Using this limit argument leads, at least for nonzero A2, to "evaluating" a small result (because the denominator grows large at x = a). A proper answer to this question requires knowing something more about the intended use to be made of it. regards, mathtalk-ga |
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Re: Two delta functions in integral
From: freemand-ga on 13 Jan 2005 17:49 PST |
This is part of more complicated integral. Describe proces where two physical values has discontinuity in same point, let me say x=a (you can put a=0), discontinuity described by Heaviside function. Delta functions are derivations of these Heaviside functions. In reality result is not zero (but there is stil posibility of not correct description of process, so solved integral can be zero). |
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Re: Two delta functions in integral
From: mathtalk-ga on 14 Jan 2005 07:12 PST |
There is a similarity to your previous question in the sense that with two limits involved (or two physical processes that share a common discontinuity), the outcome hinges on how the two limits are taken: one after the other or "synchronized" together in some manner. If you let the delta function in the numerator be the "inner" limit, this leads to the answer already given, ie. 0 unless A2 = 0, when we get 1/A1. If you let the delta function in the denominator be the "inner" limit, it leads to 1/A1. My guess is that for the physical outcome/measurements to be well-defined, some notion of synchronization of the two discontinuous processes has to be imposed. A good example of "rigorous" mathematical treatment of a physical discontinuity is the jump conditions across a shock in supersonic flow. Although more than one flow variable is discontinuous at the shock boundary, there is a natural way of relating these variables as parts of one single process. Perhaps you can devise a similar perspective for your problem, so that by taking the limits together as a single limiting process, an answer between the extremes of zero and 1/A1 can be extracted. regards, mathtalk-ga |
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Re: Two delta functions in integral
From: freemand-ga on 14 Jan 2005 08:09 PST |
> Although more than one flow variable is discontinuous at the shock boundary, > there is a natural way of relating these variables as parts of one single > process. Can you be more specific in description of this natural way, please? But for case where is not just discontinuity in flow speed but also discontinuity in diffusion coefficient. |
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Re: Two delta functions in integral
From: freemand-ga on 14 Jan 2005 12:54 PST |
Just small note. I can accept math solution of integral. Just put it as answer to give me possibility pay for it. Second thing is mentioned "good example" where is "natural way of relating these variables as parts of one single process". I did not see it there. |
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