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American suing a Canadian
Category: Relationships and Society > Law Asked by: christopherj-ga List Price: $8.00 |
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14 Jan 2005 07:10 PST
Expires: 21 Feb 2005 04:14 PST Question ID: 457158 |
What is the procedure for an American citizen to take a Canadian incorporated business to court? Is there a small claims and large claims court in Canada? Does the procedure take place in Canada where they are located? Is it costlier than say suing someone locally? |
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Re: American suing a Canadian
From: grthumongous-ga on 14 Jan 2005 08:59 PST |
While you await a real Researcher try to find out: If the incorporated business is a federal registered or provincial registered corporation. If provincial, specify which of the ten provinces. e.g. 123456 Ont Ltd is a numbered Ontario corp. I believe small claims court is limited to 10 000 canadian dollars (~US$8 300) - I am not a Researcher - |
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Re: American suing a Canadian
From: ipfan-ga on 14 Jan 2005 09:39 PST |
Must you sue them in Canada? Have you inquired to see if a US court perhaps has jurisdiction over them? |
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Re: American suing a Canadian
From: christopherj-ga on 14 Jan 2005 10:13 PST |
They are a photography business located in Toronto Ontario - They are incorporated. It likely wont go this far but I found it very difficult find any info on line. I'm not sure if you can sue someone from another country from within the US? |
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Re: American suing a Canadian
From: ipfan-ga on 17 Jan 2005 13:01 PST |
Sure. You can ~sue~ anybody anywhere for anything. The issue, though, is whether the court in which you sue has jurisdiction over the defendant. The other issue is whether, assuming the court in which you sue has jurisdiction over them, the defendant has any assets within that court's jurisdiction so that you can satisfy whatever judgment you may obtain. Let's play this out: you sue them in the US and properly serve them with a copy of the complaint. They must either appear and move to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction or you will get a default judgment. If you get a default judgment, you can satisfy that judgment with any assets owned by the defendant and located within the jurisdction of the court in which you got the judgment. Or, you could send the judgment to a Toronto court and ask them to enforce it. Many countries have treaties with the US that permit reciprocal enforceability of judgments. |
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Re: American suing a Canadian
From: alex101-ga on 18 Jan 2005 07:45 PST |
It depends. If the Canadian Business did significant enough stuff in the US, then they can be sued in the US where they did significant enough stuff. (I'm being as specific as the facts allow.) If the Canadian Business only did stuff in Canada, then US courts almost certainly will not have jurisdiction and you'll have to sue in Canada and I don't know the specific procedures in Canada though they may vary by province. |
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Re: American suing a Canadian
From: ipfan-ga on 18 Jan 2005 09:51 PST |
alex101, With all due respect, why not sue them in the US, serve them, and then let the judge determine if there's jurisdiction? I disagree that christopherj must make a determination if there's jurisdcition, and if not then he "cannot" sue them in the US. Of course he can sue them in the US. ipfan |
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Re: American suing a Canadian
From: christopherj-ga on 18 Jan 2005 10:18 PST |
I may try to see what happens but alex101's point does make a lot of sense. Otherwise we could force people from all over the world to fly to the US at great expense to defend themselves - or not show up and lose. Maybe that does happen? This incident actually happened over the internet. Our website design was completely copied by a Canadian company. Even if we won how would we determine damages? I guess it would be best to see a lawyer. |
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Re: American suing a Canadian
From: ipfan-ga on 18 Jan 2005 11:37 PST |
christopherj, I am glad you posted more facts. Can you find out where the infringing site is hosted, its "service provider?" If it's in the US, you can send the service provider a take-down notice under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act [17 USC Section 512(c)(3)] and not have to worry about suing. And yes, that's exactly what happens every day. People sue foreign nationals in US courts and get judgments when they do not show up. That is EXACTLY what happens. But remember, if the foreign defendant has no US assets, most times they simply do not care if a US judgment is entered against them. If the service provider is in Canada and for some reason you do not want to sue them in the US, then yes, you will need to talk to a lawyer in Canada about suing for copyright infringement. A good IP lawyer in Toronto is Peter Choe at 416-369-7200. |
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Re: American suing a Canadian
From: kriswrite-ga on 18 Jan 2005 11:57 PST |
<<<Otherwise we could force people from all over the world to fly to the US at great expense to defend themselves - or not show up and lose. Maybe that does happen?>>> I cannot speak about international lawsuits, but this happens all the time within the U.S. A person from one state sues a person from another state. The one being sued must attend court in the state of the person suing...or loose the case. Kriswrite |
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