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Still have not receive answer about "MOLECULAR BIOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN"
Category: Science > Biology Asked by: tedmccall-ga List Price: $6.00 |
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16 Jan 2005 15:50 PST
Expires: 15 Feb 2005 15:50 PST Question ID: 458309 |
I still have not receive any answer about "molecular biological experimental design" and what it has to do with purifying proteins. Is there a connection. I just want to know what is about. Can it help me with purifying proteins or understanding purifying proteins. This is my second time ashing you. Please help. Ted. |
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Re: Still have not receive answer about "MOLECULAR BIOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN"
From: xarqi-ga on 16 Jan 2005 20:55 PST |
The study and manipulation of proteins falls within the realm of molecular biology. Molecular biology is an experimental science. "Good" experiments, that is, ones that are likely to result in the discovery of new knowledge, generally follow from a good experimental design. To answer your question, if an experiment is to be conducted that is intended to result in the purification of a protein, then having a good experimental design is vitally important. If an established process is to be used to purify a protein, this is not an experiment, and the term "experimental design" is not applicable. |
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Re: Still have not receive answer about "MOLECULAR BIOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN"
From: johnintampa-ga on 17 Jan 2005 17:53 PST |
Maybe nobody knows what you are talking about. |
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Re: Still have not receive answer about "MOLECULAR BIOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN"
From: drimagine-ga on 19 Jan 2005 16:42 PST |
The question is too open ended for a specific answer. Or if you really want the answer. According to Webster - design - A basic scheme or pattern that affects and controls function or development experimental - Of the nature of an experiment; constituting or undergoing a test biological - Having to do with biology molecular - Of, relating to, or consisting of molecular Given this "molecular biological experimental design" is the scheme or pattern of processes of a experiment working with molecules of biological significance. A protein is a biological molecule. So to purify a protein and you can't buy a coffee filter that can purify it for you - you may have to experiment for a while to develop a process to purify the protein. Since you have to ask this question - we can tell you are a long way from purifying proteins. Now a piece of advice for tedmccall-ga. 1) When asking a question make certain it is specific. Frame you question in such a way that an unambiguous answer can be given in response. You will avoid alot of follow-on questions and get an answer that makes since. 2) STOP WRITING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. THIS IS EQUIVALENT TO YELLING. Now a piece of advice to xarqi-ga. Dude - tm-ga is either a lawyer, kid, or a guy with a book of molecular biology patents. As for experimental design not being applicable to protein purification - i'll remember that next time I design a high-yield process to generate the human fibronection from e. coli in bio-reactors you are going to need to activate your t-killer cell response and i have to run through all the 50 parameters experimentally available to turn on 5 kg/day. And I'll just return my paycheck also while I'm at it. |
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Re: Still have not receive answer about "MOLECULAR BIOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN"
From: xarqi-ga on 20 Jan 2005 02:24 PST |
Thanks for the info, drimagine. Note though that my comment stated that experimental design was not a part of "an established process". The scenario you describe is clearly one for which the optimal parameters have yet to be determined. The quest to determine these would likely entail many experiments, hopefully with good design. If you are just using a shot-gun method to tweak a system with 50 unknowns and hoping for the best, that is cookery, not science. |
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Re: Still have not receive answer about "MOLECULAR BIOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN"
From: drimagine-ga on 20 Jan 2005 04:10 PST |
xarqi-ga I'm not trying to tweak your nose but -- I didn'r realize we were talking SCIENCE not science. I'll remember that the next time I pick up my paycheck - and will be more humble. Whether I'm building a proton-anti-proton collider and looking for W particle decay, observing planetary motion and back calculating the the deviations between Newtonian mechanics and General Relativity, running a reaction to develop bi-molecular platinum (III) complexes, or investigating the remodeling process of stem cells injected into scarred myocardium, intelligent experimental design is an indisguishable part of good "Science". If the investigator does not specifically control for all the biases or outside interactions that can affect the result of the experiment then any science that is done is serendipity not the control or experiment of the investigator. My experience is that you learn much more by having the experiment go wrong the first few times than you have by everything going right. However you have to work much harder for that understanding. It is much easier to be lucky that to be smart. As for a system with 50 unknowns - of course one doesn't perform a simplex operation to find the optimum - only a person with a boring and unnaturally long life would chose that path. However the problem I described is real and is not just a scale-up process. Ask your friendly chemical engineer about scaling up any laboratory reaction to a plant size operation and you'll find out a lot of science wasn't performed in the lab since all the side reactions where so small at the milli-gram level that no one bothered to work them out. Again, I'm not being insulting but there is much to investigating any phenomena that involves good experimental design. |
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