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Subject:
How can I tell if my employer is commiting health insurance fraud?
Category: Business and Money > Employment Asked by: riddlemethis2-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
22 Jan 2005 11:25 PST
Expires: 21 Feb 2005 11:25 PST Question ID: 461587 |
I work for a startup company that just acquired 15 other companies. I was an employee of one of those 15 companies acquired. I had company subsidized health care. Once we were acquired they took that away, but my group plan didnt change! Just all the sudden the company said from now on 100% of the premium would be deducted from my check. After about 5 months, the company got a new policy, company wide, all 130 employees under it. They have us pay 100% of the premium. I don't believe the policy between this company and the insurance company says that the employee pays 100%. Does anyone even write such policies? I mean for group health care (with decent premiums) to work for the insurance company, you really need the company to subsidized it, so the young, healthy, low paid people come on board and make the numbers work. In any case, the insurance company is United Healthcare, the premium isn't too bad, and the coverage is generally good. None of the young, healthy, low paid people will take it however, only the mid/upper paid employees and unhealthy ones sign up. How can I find what the contract is between United and my employer to verify the policy is such that the employee is to pay 100%? If United has a policy with my employer where the employer is suppose to be paying say 50% or whatever, yet my employer is telling its employees that they have to pay 100%, isn't that fraud? How can I go about investigating this, and who can I report it to if I indeed uncover some mismangement of the plan? |
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Re: How can I tell if my employer is commiting health insurance fraud?
From: just4fun2-ga on 22 Jan 2005 13:36 PST |
Risky Risky Risky, but if you are really interested in finding out this info. You could try your state insurance commissioner and ask them to investigate. Maybe your state has some law about employers paying some portion of your insurance or offering insurance based on their size, I doubt it. If it doesn't the company does NOT have to offer any insurance at all, let along pay for it. Most companies offer insurance to retain employees, that does not mean that they have to pay for it - just offer it. The rates they can get are lower with better coverage then you can get on your own, that's the benefit. I hope this help. |
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Re: How can I tell if my employer is commiting health insurance fraud?
From: riddlemethis2-ga on 22 Jan 2005 14:41 PST |
I am not saying there is a state law or anything like that. I just don't believe that a healthcare company would offer a group policy, with a decent premium, for 130+ employees if it was not subsidized. In order for group policies to work (in the favor of the insurance company), it has to be subsidized. I don't even believe companies like United, etc would write a policy for that large a group without it being subsidized. Also, true, the company does not have to offer healthcare at all, no doubt. But if you sign a contract with the insurance carrier based on the fact your subsidizing the premium, and then you dont actually subsidize the premium, that would have to be actionable, not just civilly but perhaps criminally. Brian |
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Re: How can I tell if my employer is commiting health insurance fraud?
From: just4fun2-ga on 24 Jan 2005 11:25 PST |
I don't understand the subsidizing the premium as being a requirement to the issuance of insurance to your company. The premium is the premium - they will not care who pays it. The insurance company does not really care that 130 employees may or may not sign up for the insurance. My experience with this is the insurance company does NOT look at a small company and then issue a new group policy for just that company. The group policy you have has many, many companies with 1,000s of employees. Your 130 employees just fall through the cracks. In other words, more than likely, the success or failure of that group policy does not ride with your company. |
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Re: How can I tell if my employer is commiting health insurance fraud?
From: riddlemethis2-ga on 24 Jan 2005 13:33 PST |
just4fun2, when an insurance carrier issues a group policy to a company, it is a contract between that company and the carrier. Group policies specify a minimum employer contribution and a minimum employee participation. These numbers must be met or they are dealbreakers. I am really looking for someone with legal experience or insurance investigation experience to chime in and tell me their take. Brian |
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Re: How can I tell if my employer is commiting health insurance fraud?
From: susie60785-ga on 25 May 2005 16:02 PDT |
sounds somewhat similar to my question and problem. when our health insurance changed from one company to another the paper that comes with the new company was broken down to what the employee has to contribute, how much the insurance would cost for the spouse to be added on and how much it would cost for the whole family. The company was to pay 100 percent and for my spouse to be added on it said one amount. however they deducted 70.00 more a month for my spouse then originally stated plus 40.00 monthly was deducted also under misc. oh, sorry let me clarify. the 253.oo/monthly that was deducted for my spouse was listed under insurance and the 40.00 deducted was listed under misc. This went on for a year and in 2003 they changed to a ppo and 389.oo was deducted for spouse and then first it was told to us that they couldn't afford it and now we're paying half of ours which is 150.00 /month. also we can't access that paper from the insurance company that tells you how much the employee costs, the spouse added . if you want to see this you can't. you have to call the boss and she will tell you. an employee was told recently that to add her husband onto the policy it would be over 500.00 /monthly plus the additional 150.00 for her. this is also a large company, probably way over 130 people taking the insurance. I think the boss is just telling us the insurance costs that much so she can deduct it and run away with our money. any comments? I have to go but I'll check this site tomorrow or the next day. |
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