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Wealth-injustice?
Category: Business and Money Asked by: jiggaman45-ga List Price: $5.00 |
Posted:
23 Jan 2005 04:33 PST
Expires: 22 Feb 2005 04:33 PST Question ID: 461909 |
I am just uncomfortable with what some of the articles that some of my professors have asked us to read. And here are some issues that I'd like to have clarification on. Is being financially wealthy doing injustice to other people, especially those suffering from poverty? I am having an impression from the articles that wealth and resources are like a cake, wherein if I have more, other people will have less, is this true? Is being rich taking more than my "fair share," thus causing other people's poverty? Or is it more like an ocean, wherein there is an abundance of wealth and resources, that me being rich is not a factor of other people's poverty? I personally am in favor of being rich and find no wrong in it, but i would just want some backing up that, it in fact doesn't cause other's poverty. |
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Re: Wealth-injustice?
From: frde-ga on 23 Jan 2005 06:19 PST |
There is something to be said for the argument that wealthier people tend to invest more - and in the long term investment benefits everyone. By 'investment' I mean spending money on things that generate 'real' wealth, not just hypeing up the stock market - or land prices. 'Wealth' is certainly not like an ocean - unless one is referring to an overfished and heavily mined/drilled area. The cake analogy is more appropriate, but a cake that can grow over time. There is also an argument that a lot of financially wealthy people spend their money frivolously - and 'invest' in things that make quick returns. I strongly suggest that you do not argue with your professors, as it is quite possible that they are financially stretched - and therefore personally biased. However, you could do a small study of privately owned companies, BMW for a start, to see how a high concentration of wealth appears to affect investment decisions. A really vicious and controversial argument is to postulate that all USA 'wealth' should be grabbed and dropped into Africa as 'aid'. However, your best bet is to relax, keep a low profile and not argue. You have probably heard of 'positive discrimination' - I doubt you would enjoy 'negative discrimination' FYI I am not wealthy, but have seldom been seriously hard up - when I was it was sheer hell |
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Re: Wealth-injustice?
From: efn-ga on 23 Jan 2005 10:29 PST |
It is a fact that the world is not so rich that no matter how much one person has, there will still be plenty for others. Material resources are finite. There is only so much to go around at any point in time, though the quantities can change over time. The cake analogy is right and the ocean analogy is wrong. Actually, even the ocean is finite. The question of how to distribute wealth fairly is difficult, complex, controversial, and important, so it is a good one to study. What is fair is not a question of fact--people hold different opinions and disagree. As a student, you should seek to understand the varieties of opinions out there about what's fair, and you should at least start with an open mind about the possibility that wealth can be distributed unfairly and some have more than they deserve. You can't discredit those opinions on the basis that resources are infinite, because they're not. |
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Re: Wealth-injustice?
From: williethejazzman-ga on 23 Jan 2005 13:08 PST |
If you labored hard for your wealth, then be grateful and don't worry too much about what others say. I think that the greater learning experience requires that you read the different perspectives. Understanding all points of view will actually help you to form your own view. Be sure to look at the global picture. Outside the US, if you are an American or a Brit, you are wealthy compared to billions of people. Keep it in perspective and do your best. A spirited debate with your professor demonstrates to him that he has stimulated your curiosity which means he is teaching successfully. Don't be afraid to expand the experience with debate. |
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Re: Wealth-injustice?
From: xcarlx-ga on 24 Jan 2005 00:12 PST |
You said financial wealth, so I will address the issue of strict currency (dollar notes with implied extrinsic value, not gold, grain, or other things with intrinsic value). The idea that being rich means you have deprived a poor person of wealth is wrong in three ways. 1. Money and economies don't work that way This is the biggest one, which will eventually lead us to the other two reasons. Money is a device that allows indirect transfer of value instead of bartering only with items that have direct value. A good economy, for all people involved, is achieved through the circulation of money. You probably want to research the "multiplier effect," which exlpains this in great detail. If we were to take our current economy, freeze prices, divide all currently used cash equally among all people, and only allow each dollar to be spent once, we would probably all starve to death within a matter of days or weeks. Circulation of currency brings us well above that level. Count how much money you typically own at a single point in time. It's not a whole lot compared to your annual income. Then consider that most people are probably just like you. It should be obvious that the total amount of money held is the absolute worst way to measure wealth. If you are concerned about wealth, both yours and others, the best thing to do is to keep circulating it. The more you spend, the more stuff you get and the more money other people get. Spending money, as a part of circulation, is what makes an economy exist. If you suddenly felt guilty and refused to accept money (as if people buying your product didn't know if they wanted it!), that would be just as bad for everyone in the country as if you stopped spending it because it doesn't really matter where the buck stops. If it stops at all, everyone loses because CIRCULATION of money (through buying and selling) is what makes money worth anything and is what makes anyone, at any income level, wealthy. People don't want money. They want food, clothing, housing, medicine, and all of the other things money can buy. The truth is, unless you are stealing from people or selling faulty products, people that earn and spend a lot of money are HELPING the economy, not robbing it. 2. Rich people's money is not stagnant If you say that a rich person "has" 50 billion dollars, what exactly do you mean by that? Bill Gates doesn't have his money under a mattress, that's for sure. I would guess that he has a smalll portion of his money in chas at any time, more so than the rest of us, but most likely nearly all of his money is in a bank or other investment. And when you invest money, that means somneone else is getting it. If you buy stocks, the company now has more money to spend. More money means the company can make more products and hire more workers (this is how most people get jobs, except self-employed). If you leave it in a bank you are doing other people a huge favor because money in a bank is loaned to people to buy houses, cars, etc. The more money there is in banks, the lower interests rates will be. If you buy stuff, you are supporting all of the employees at the store you bought from. Some of those people probably buy the products you sold to get rich, so circulation pops up again. 3. The idea of rich people taking money away from the poor implies that communism is the only answer, which doesn't work. If every extra dollar in your pocket is like stealing from a poor person, we would have to conclude that communism (with fixed and equal income) is the only answer. But communism tends to make everyone poor rather than make everyone rich or even average. I could talk at length about why the whole theory of communism fails to grasp all of the basic reasons why money has any value at all, but hopefully the first two points already gave a good overview on why capping circulation of money does nothing but hurt everyone and why forceful manipulation of money does not mean everyone will get the products they need. In some cases, if wealth refers to actual resources like food, obviously one person having more means that another person can't have as much. But in most cases this is not the problem. In any economy where people have enough free time to sit around and create a philosophy on how rich is too rich, there probably isn't a shortage of food. In the US, we do have poor and even homeless people, but we don't have a shortage of anything. The problem is usually a lack of education enabling people to take part in the economy (by offering their services as an employee), not rich people withholding money. When reading those articles, look for clues about what sort of wealth the author is talking about. If they are talking about the food supply in some African village where there is exactly enough food for everyone to eat three times each day, they are probably right. If they are talking about cash in America, they are a total dumbass. |
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Re: Wealth-injustice?
From: jiggaman45-ga on 27 Jan 2005 07:14 PST |
hey thanks for all the comments. i especially found xcarlx's issues on the circulation of money and the failure of communism to make everyone, on average, financially well-off quite enlightening:) |
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Re: Wealth-injustice?
From: evilbaga-ga on 06 Feb 2005 18:42 PST |
Its, of course, a difficult question to answer fully with no "right" answer. But try reading Thomas Sowell's Affirmative Action Around the world: An Empirical Study. Your professors being the communists (oops, should have said socialists) they are, prefer equality and assume its a possibility. That wealth is a zero sum game. A certain amount exists, and we just got to distribute it fairly. But the world doesnt work that way, in the real world, if you remove the benefits from a group that created it (in this case wealth)and give it to others who didnt, you'll soon find there is less wealth overall. Which is exactly what happened in Malaysia. The Malaysians wanted special rights for their ethnicity and wanted the chinese who seemed to run the country out. Same thing happened in Tanzania, africans were jealous of the Indians...they threw them out, and Tanzania quickly became a Bush Country. Im all for sharing at a basic level so everyone has enough to eat, and perhaps basic education, above and beyond that its all communism under different names...and alive and well in the west it seems. Read the book, its real world stuff, and quite enjoyable. |
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