I'm looking for a list of US private companies (corporations) that own
shares in publicly traded companies.

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Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 31 Jan 2005 18:38 PST

Are you asking about companies such as mutual funds that hold shares
in publicly traded companies?  Or is there something else that you're
after?

The more detailed you can be in telling us what you need, the better
we can target our research.

Thanks.


pafalafa-ga

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Clarification of Question by mba_student-ga on 01 Feb 2005 15:45 PST

A US private corporation (i.e. not a mutual fund, investment pool,
investment partnership) that owns shares of a publicly traded company.

Ex. ACME Corp. (a private corporation) owns 1,000,000 shares of IBM (a
public company).

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Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 03 Feb 2005 04:56 PST

How about these guys....Does this fit what you're looking for?


http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/103/103917.html
Western States International, Inc. Company Profile

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Clarification of Question by mba_student-ga on 03 Feb 2005 18:38 PST

pafalafa-ga,

Unless I'm missing something, although Western States International,
Inc. is certainly a US private company, I don't see the reference to
their ownership of a US publicly traded company(ies).

Please explain further if I'm incorrect or you have information that
refutes the abovementioned.

Thanks

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Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 04 Feb 2005 05:50 PST

All right, forget Western States.  I was a little addled, I think.

But now I'm getting the hang of this, and I think I'm beginning to
figure out how to generate a list.

Take a look at National Amusements, and let me know if this is on-target:


http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/42/42260.html


They are a large holder of shares in VIA and MWY, among others.


If this is what you're looking for, let me know.

Also, please give me some sort of indication of how large a list
you're looking for.

I think I can put together a list of ten such companies, but it's very
tricky teasing these guys out.  I'm not sure I can readily amass a
longer list.  Would that meet your needs?

pafalafa-ga

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Clarification of Question by mba_student-ga on 06 Feb 2005 22:18 PST

I'm not looking for mutual funds.  Again, it is very simple: US
private company(ies) that in turn own a large postion(s) of a publicly
traded company(ies).

Ex. ACME Corp. (a US private corporation, not a mutual fund) that
happens to own 1,000,000 shares of IBM (a public company).

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Clarification of Question by mba_student-ga on 06 Feb 2005 22:25 PST

I'm not looking for mutual funds.  Again, it is very simple: US
private company(ies) that in turn own a large postion(s) of a publicly
traded company(ies).

Ex. ACME Corp. (a US private corporation, not a mutual fund) that
happens to own 1,000,000 shares of IBM (a public company).

National Amusements is a very good example.

I'm looking for a comprehensive (long) list US of private companies
that fit this parameter.

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Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 07 Feb 2005 06:42 PST

Im glad to hear that National Amusements was right on target, and
thanks for hanging in with the process while I got clear on what you
needed.

One last question, if I may.  You said you are looking for a
"comprehensive" list.

I do not know of any way to prepare a list that goes beyond the 10 or
so companies that I can piece together from various search strategies.

In my experience, researchers tend to shy away from any question
calling for a "comprehensive" answer, since it's almost impossible to
know when all (or most) such companies have been identified.

Shall we just leave the question open in the hopes that another
researcher will come up with a better strategy?

Or can you suggest a way of moving forward on this?

Looking forward to hearing back from you.


pafalafa-ga

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Clarification of Question by mba_student-ga on 07 Feb 2005 16:04 PST

pafalafa-ga,

-"One last question, if I may.  You said you are looking for a
"comprehensive" list.":  In order for me to complete my research, I
need a sample that is statistically significant.  That sample needs to
be greater than 50 companies.

thanks

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Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 07 Feb 2005 16:14 PST

Thanks for getting back to me.  

I don't think I'll be able to help you with this one, though.

All the best...


paf

Here is a list of 50 private companies with substantial holdings in
one or more publicly traded companies:

Shareholder	Companty	Ticker	Shares	% Out	Value
					
ARK Asset Management Company, Inc.	AMER ITALIAN PASTA CO  -CL
A	PLB	788,400	4.35	$20,269,764
ARK Asset Management Company, Inc.	AMSURG CORP	AMSG	1,185,100	4.05	$28,442,400 
ARK Asset Management Company, Inc.	ALLETE INC	ALE	733,959	2.48	$30,708,844 
Ashford Capital Management Inc.	CSG SYSTEMS INTL
INC	CSGS	1,258,400	2.46	$22,311,432
Atlanta Capital Management Company LLC	AARON RENTS
INC	RNT	939,398	2.27	$20,497,664
Atlanta Capital Management Company LLC	ABM INDUSTRIES
INC	ABM	1,029,210	2.12	$18,628,701
Bankmont Financial Corp.	AMCOL INTERNATIONAL CORP	ACO	3,151,751	10.73	$65,840,078 
Barrow, Hanley Mewhinney & Strauss, Inc.	AMER ITALIAN PASTA CO  -CL
A	PLB	790,170	4.36	$20,315,270
Becker Capital Management Inc.	AMER ITALIAN PASTA CO  -CL
A	PLB	1,010,620	5.58	$25,983,040
Bernzott Capital Advisors	AMERICAN STATES WATER CO	AWR	429,879	2.58	$11,275,726 
Blair (William) & Company, L.L.C.	4 KIDS ENTERTAINMENT
INC	KDE	666,010	4.99	$11,695,135
Brown Capital Management, Inc.	AMER ITALIAN PASTA CO  -CL
A	PLB	1,220,239	6.74	$31,372,344
Cannell Capital, LLC	ANGELICA CORP	AGL	271,331	3.01	$7,974,418 
Churchill Management Corp	AMEDISYS INC	AMED	546,100	3.58	$16,781,653 
Dalton, Greiner, Hartman, Maher & Company	GULF ISLAND FABRICATION
INC	gifi	285,425	2.35	$6,644,694
Dalton, Greiner, Hartman, Maher & Company	4 KIDS ENTERTAINMENT
INC	KDE	452,500	3.39	$7,945,900
Deprince, Race & Zollo, Inc.	ALPHARMA INC  -CL A	ALO	945,500	1.83	$14,210,865 
Deprince, Race & Zollo, Inc.	AMCOL INTERNATIONAL CORP	ACO	517,400	1.76	$10,808,486 
Earnest Partners LLC	ACCREDO HEALTH INC.	ACDO	1,959,666	4.01	$57,300,633 
Earnest Partners LLC	ALTIRIS INC	ATRS	1,226,800	4.55	$35,626,272 
Fisher Investments, Inc.	ABM INDUSTRIES INC	ABM	986,125	2.03	$17,848,862 
Friess Associates Inc	AAR CORP	AIR	1,095,000	3.4	$12,274,950 
Gagnon Securities, LLC	ACTEL CORP	ACTL	741,051	2.92	$12,998,034 
Giovine Capital Group LLC	ADMINISTAFF INC	ASF	519,300	2.04	$7,363,674 
Grace & White, Inc.	ADVANCED MARKETING SERVICES	MKT	1,496,662	7.85	$13,993,789 
Harris Associates L.P.	AMER ITALIAN PASTA CO  -CL A	PLB	825,000	4.55	$21,210,750 
ICM Asset Management, Inc.	ACCREDO HEALTH INC.	ACDO	1,144,218	2.34	$33,456,934 
Kahn Brothers & Company, Inc.	ADVANCED MARKETING
SERVICES	MKT	2,925,693	15.35	$27,355,229
Kennedy Capital Management, Inc.	ASTA FUNDING INC	ASFI	420,548	3.11	$10,925,837 
Killen Group, Inc.	GULF ISLAND FABRICATION INC	gifi	231,400	1.9	$5,386,992 
Kornitzer Capital Management, Inc.	AMERICAN MEDICAL SYSTMS
HLDS	AMMD	1,200,880	3.56	$47,254,628
LSV Asset Management	CSG SYSTEMS INTL INC	CSGS	3,078,738	6.03	$54,586,024 
LSV Asset Management	ALPHARMA INC  -CL A	ALO	2,719,690	5.26	$40,876,940 
Mac-Per-Wolf Company	AMER ITALIAN PASTA CO  -CL A	PLB	1,523,231	8.41	$39,162,269 
Mac-Per-Wolf Company	ACCREDO HEALTH INC.	ACDO	1,696,525	3.47	$49,606,391 
Mac-Per-Wolf Company	ACTEL CORP	ACTL	1,270,721	5.01	$22,288,446 
Matrix Asset Advisors, Inc.	ADAPTEC INC.	ADPT	3,430,332	3.09	$19,518,589 
Mckinley Capital Management, Inc.	AMCOL INTERNATIONAL
CORP	ACO	439,170	1.5	$9,174,261
Okumus Capital LLC	CSG SYSTEMS INTL INC	CSGS	2,975,213	5.82	$52,750,526 
Parametric Portfolio Associates	ADECCO SA  -ADR	ADO	170,646	0.02	$2,242,288 
Perry Corp.	AAR CORP	AIR	1,682,400	5.22	$18,859,704 
Petrus Securities, L.P.	ADMINISTAFF INC	ASF	953,200	3.75	$13,516,376 
Porter Felleman Inc	ASTA FUNDING INC	ASFI	533,324	3.95	$13,855,757 
Pzena Investment Management, LLC	AGILYSYS INC	AGYS	892,455	2.77	$15,225,282 
Reed, Conner & Birdwell, Inc.	ADVO INC	AD	998,108	3.22	$36,670,487 
Reed, Conner & Birdwell, Inc.	ANGELICA CORP	AGL	565,684	6.27	$16,625,452 
Reich & Tang Asset Mgmt	AARON RENTS INC	RNT	1,381,800	3.34	$30,150,876 
Rice, Hall, James & Associates	CSG SYSTEMS INTL INC	CSGS	1,686,220	3.3	$29,896,680 
Rutabaga Capital Management, LLC	AMEDISYS INC	AMED	313,132	2.05	$9,622,546 
Silvercrest Asset Management Group LLC	ANGELICA CORP	AGL	311,962	3.46	$9,168,563 
Skylands Capital, LLC	ACTION PERFORMANCE COS INC	ATN	767,700	4.16	$9,719,082 
Snyder Capital Management, LP	ALLETE INC	ALE	537,691	1.82	$22,496,991 
Systematic Financial Management, L.P.	AMEDISYS INC	AMED	354,700	2.33	$10,899,931 
Talon Asset Management	4 KIDS ENTERTAINMENT INC	KDE	693,210	5.19	$12,172,767 
Towle & Company	ALERIS INTERNATIONAL INC	ARS	381,646	1.31	$6,423,102 
Vinik Asset Management, L.P.	AMEDISYS INC	AMED	321,200	2.11	$9,870,476 
Wasatch Advisors Inc	ACCREDO HEALTH INC.	ACDO	4,288,700	8.77	$125,401,588 
Wasatch Advisors Inc	AMSURG CORP	AMSG	5,610,620	19.18	$134,654,880 
Wentworth, Hauser and Violich	ABM INDUSTRIES INC	ABM	937,386	1.93	$16,966,686 
Wentworth, Hauser and Violich	ALERIS INTERNATIONAL
INC	ARS	666,103	2.28	$11,210,513
Wentworth, Hauser and Violich	ALPHARMA INC  -CL A	ALO	1,019,521	1.97	$15,323,400 
Westcap Investors LLC	ALTIRIS INC	ATRS	865,299	3.21	$25,128,282 
Westcap Investors LLC	AMERICAN MEDICAL SYSTMS HLDS	AMMD	966,088	2.87	$38,015,562 
Winslow Capital Management	AMSURG CORP	AMSG	822,750	2.81	$19,746,000 

I can prepare this in Excel format and make it available on a Web site
later this afternoon.

V

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Request for Answer Clarification by mba_student-ga on 13 Feb 2005 20:35 PST

This list does not help me in my research since all these companies
are investment companies.

Per my previous clarification, I am looking for:

A US private corporation (i.e. not a mutual fund, investment pool,
investment partnership) that owns shares of a publicly traded company.

Ex. ACME Corp. (a private corporation) owns 1,000,000 shares of IBM (a
public company).

Please let me know if you can be of further help.

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Clarification of Answer by vercingatorix-ga on 14 Feb 2005 05:45 PST

I can eliminate partnerships from the list if you like. I forgot that
you said you didn't want any partnerships. But the fact remains that
the vast majority of large private interests in public companies are
held by investment firms.

Unless private companies are among the top holders of a given stock, I
don't believe there is any way to find their names beyond searching
news reports and checking company Web sites one by one. After all,
private companies are not required to disclose their stock holdings to
anyone, and even the IRS only learns about it when they sell. Via that
method, it could literally take weeks to dig up more than 50 names.

I am prepared to eliminate partnerships from the list for you and
replace them with other large stockholders, but the odds are most of
the replacements would be investment companies. Your clarification
specifically prohibited mutual funds, investment pools, and
partnerships, not other private investment companies.

V

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Request for Answer Clarification by mba_student-ga on 14 Feb 2005 18:50 PST

Thanks for your input regarding this subject matter.

You are correct in your statement: "Unless private companies are among
the top holders of a given stock, I don't believe there is any way to
find their names beyond searching news reports and checking company
Web sites one by one. After all, private companies are not required to
disclose their stock holdings to
anyone, and even the IRS only learns about it when they sell. Via that
method, it could literally take weeks to dig up more than 50 names."

I was hoping that someone could be able to identify at least 50
company names, through a search of news articles, web sites, etc.

Please let me know if you can be of help.

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Clarification of Answer by vercingatorix-ga on 14 Feb 2005 20:07 PST

If you're specifically interested in nonfinancial companies, I can't
help you. In fact, had you said up front that you wanted researchers
to exclude investment companies of any stripe, I wouldn't have
answered the question.

V

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Request for Answer Clarification by mba_student-ga on 15 Feb 2005 17:07 PST

I stated that on my 2nd posting:

"Clarification of Question by mba_student-ga on 01 Feb 2005 15:45 PST 
A US private corporation (i.e. not a mutual fund, investment pool,
investment partnership) that owns shares of a publicly traded company.

Ex. ACME Corp. (a private corporation) owns 1,000,000 shares of IBM (a
public company)."

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Clarification of Answer by vercingatorix-ga on 16 Feb 2005 06:01 PST

You quite specifically requested no mutual funds, investment pools, or
partnerships. That in no way precluded the names of the vast majority
of investment companies, which are private corporations. As I said, I
am willing to eliminate the partnerships on the list and replace them
with other private corporations.

However, I have no wish to tussle with you over a few dollars. If you
ask Google to pull the answer to the question, I won't contest it with
them.

V

The question was not answered!

The would be something like boscov's it is a private company that
holds stock in other companies such as UPS

Yes.  That is exactly what I'm looking for.