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Legality of price listings
Category: Business and Money > Small Businesses Asked by: untree-ga List Price: $16.00 |
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03 Feb 2005 10:37 PST
Expires: 05 Mar 2005 10:37 PST Question ID: 468205 |
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Re: Legality of price listings
From: ipfan-ga on 03 Feb 2005 11:12 PST |
How are you getting the data? Are these just retail prices that anyone could find by going into a store and looking at a price tag? Or are you perhaps using bots to troll and find price data in web sites? |
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Re: Legality of price listings
From: ipfan-ga on 03 Feb 2005 13:47 PST |
If these are all publicly available prices, the stores have no proprietary interest in that data. But what a store might object to is your using their name in your database without their permission, particulary if they are cast in a less-than-favorable light. I am not saying that they would win such a fight since trademark law permits fair use of another party's trademarks, but they could raise a stink that might be expensive for you to fight. Also, you should make sure your price data is accurate and you should specify where and when you recorded the price data, e.g., "Budweiser, six pack cans, $4.99, Safeway on Sixth and Main on February 3, 2005, at 9:08 p.m." You should probably also have a disclaimer on your site that says, "These are posted retail prices shown as of the dates, times and locations listed. Actual prices may be higher or lower, depending on special offers, coupons, availability and local conditions." This prevents you from making any sort of a warranty to an end user who may rely on your price data and it turns out to be wrong. It also helps insulate you from claims by the stores that you are defaming them for stating a false price. I suppose at some point if they dislike what you are doing a store could formally tell you that neither you nor your representatives are any longer welcome in their stores, thus causing you to be a trespasser if you go back into the store. It is, after all, private property. These are all highly risk-averse comments. I think the likelihood of there being any negative ramifications along the lines I mention to be less than five percent, but better safe than sorry. |
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Re: Legality of price listings
From: financeeco-ga on 03 Feb 2005 23:29 PST |
Even if you collect the price data by physically visiting each store (the most legitimate method I can think of), I believe you're still at risk of being sued. Simply put, a store's prices are commercial property that it 'creates' by taking into account factors like costs/customers/markets/etc. When you repackage that information and use it for commercial gain (even tangentally, as in selling ad space next to the pricing info), you're using someone else's intellectual property. I believe this technically falls under copyright violation. A court case on NYSE pricing data applies to your question. My business law textbook is in storage right now, so I can't give you the name of the case, but here's the gist: Someone was distributing stock price data without license from the New York Stock Exchange. The offender was distributing the price quotes for free, but he was deriving profit from some ancillary service associated with the free quotes. Even though the stock price data could be obtained by walking into the NYSE building, the court ruled that the data was the end result of a proprietary process (making a market in stocks, gathering everyone into one room), so the stock price data was copyrighted material. Thus, the NYSE had full rights to restrict who used its property. This is why Yahoo! and all the other websites all license their stock pricing data from a data service (Reuters, Bridge), who in turn license from the NYSE/NASD. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't take the risk. I figure sooner or later you would offend one of the stores by showing how much it marks up relative to the competitors, and the store would send a dozen lawyers after you. You could probably just agree to a cease and desist order with no monetary damages, but I wouldn't risk it. |
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Re: Legality of price listings
From: ipfan-ga on 04 Feb 2005 11:22 PST |
I would agree with financeeco-ga IF it could be shown that price data on beer in local stores in Gainesville, Florida was a sufficiently creative endeavor such that those prices merit copyright protection. See CDN v. Kapes at http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/coa/newopinions.nsf/04485f8dcbd4e1ea882569520074e698/40da437c7a9860de88256e5a0071835b?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,Kapes. But I think it is a stretch to elevate the price on a six-pack of Bud to the status of a creative work like the coin price guide in Kapes. I doubt that the manager of the Quickie Mart in Gainesville is reviewing beer-related trade publications, doing competitive industry price analysis, and undertaking other purely creative endeavors to arrive at his price data. I think it much more likely that the prices were arrived at with virtually no creative effort or perhaps were given to the stores by their distributors, which , under authority of the seminal Feist case (cited in Kapes) means that they are not protectable in copyright. But I could be wrong. |
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Re: Legality of price listings
From: untree-ga on 04 Feb 2005 15:26 PST |
So would you say it's probably fine for small stores, but perhaps large liquor store chains and grocery stores might protest because they have done consumer research to form their prices? Thanks for all the comments and that link. |
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