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Subject: Speed control of dc electric drill
Category: Science
Asked by: srgntlt-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 05 Feb 2005 04:28 PST
Expires: 06 Feb 2005 11:04 PST
Question ID: 469331
I want to rewire an 18vdc battery electric drill to take the on/off
and speed control to a seperate 'box' containing a rheostat (?).  The
drill currently has a normal trigger control with continuously
variable speeds from 0 to 2700 rpm presumably controlled via a slider
in the trigger dumping voltage or current to a thyristor on a heat
sink.  The trigger has contacts labelled G, M2, D, S, B+, M1, B-. M1
and M2 go to the motor, B+ and B- to the battery, and G,S, and D to
the thryistor.  A circuit diagram before and after modification would
be a great help.

Clarification of Question by srgntlt-ga on 05 Feb 2005 22:44 PST
guzzi- thanks for your assistance so far.  There is definately a high
pitched 'whistle' at low speeds, so I presume your assumption that it
is a MOSFET is correct.  My 'ideal' solution would be to retain the
existing trigger switch, cut the G,S and D wires and lead them out via
a switched 3.5mm stereo socket on the handle to a seperate box with
the new control in it.  I could buy a second drill and remove the
switch to strip and analyse. (I might need the spares anyway if this
project works!)  You are right in your assumtion that I know very
little of electronics, but am pretty capable in all other areas, being
a model engineer and vintage motorcycle/car restorer.

Clarification of Question by srgntlt-ga on 05 Feb 2005 23:54 PST
guzzi - as a direct result of the information in your comment I have
been able to find a mosfet dc motor controller kit from a local
supplier which does exactly the job I want to do by taking the B+, B-,
M1 and M2 leads out. The kit is K166 from www.kitsrus.com.  I consider
that you have answered my question.  Please post anything as an answer
and claim your fee.  Thanks again.

Request for Question Clarification by maniac-ga on 06 Feb 2005 07:28 PST
Hello Srgntlt,

If you are satisfied with the comment by guzzi-ga, I suggest you close
the question. Only a GA researcher can post an answer (and be paid).
The comment by guzzi-ga was offered for free.

  --Maniac
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Subject: Re: Speed control of dc electric drill
From: guzzi-ga on 05 Feb 2005 19:11 PST
 
Commenting upon this because out-with most researcher fields.

The wonderful thing about thyristors is that they switch on within a
few microseconds -- but they don?t switch off unless driven by AC or
?commutated?. Thyristors are extremely robust, cheap and intrinsically
suitable for high voltage and high current, so find obvious
application in mains AC drills, the speed control being effected by
variable phase triggering. Low voltage DC is a different matter
because not only do they have to be commutated (which though
reasonably easy is not cost effective) the voltage drop also wastes
power. Consequently, most low voltage DC drill controllers employ
?pulse width modulation? (PWM) in various forms, the switching element
being a power transistor. You can actually hear some of them whistling
slightly as they switch. A ?rheostat? would waste too much power and
get horribly hot. More expensive too, and the torque at low speed
would be very poor. Some real cheap, low-power drills may use a
transistor, in essence as a variable resistance, but unlikely.

The ?G?, ?S? and ?D? on your ?thyristor? indicate Gate, Source and
Drain on a MOSFET -- a kind of transistor. If you read the number on
it you very likely can find the spec on the web. Since the control is
continuous, the trigger must incorporate a bunch of electronics in the
trigger in addition to the variable resistance control. Although it is
very simple to copy the circuit, or even design a new one, you need a
reasonable electronic skill level. However, though you don?t recognise
a (MOS)FET, you are clear, logical and accurate in your presentation
so you do have the basic wherewithal.

Presumably you don?t want to strip the parts from the drill and
incorporate them in a box. There may be single power chip devices
incorporating all the necessary gubbins but couldn?t find one with a
quick search. Data sheets for controllers which I found would probably
only confuse you so I didn?t post. If you are really desperate though
I could do a fuller search.

Frustrating, we can?t post pictures otherwise I could design one for
you, but post if you want further or deeper info.

Best

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