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7th grade math
Category: Reference, Education and News > Education Asked by: dddave5-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
06 Feb 2005 13:26 PST
Expires: 07 Feb 2005 03:31 PST Question ID: 469968 |
You have a 1000 students and 1000 lockers. the first student comes and opens all the lockers. The second student comes and closes every second locker. the third student comes and either opens or close every third locker depending on whether it's open or closed. and the fourth student continues to open or close the lockers. Which lockers are open after 1000 students go through. |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: xpl911-ga on 06 Feb 2005 13:37 PST |
Hi. I would love to answer your question. If I understand the question correctly, after all 1000 students have gone through, the first locker would be the only locker open. |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: dddave5-ga on 06 Feb 2005 13:40 PST |
No. Every student up to a 1000 either opens or closes the locker. so the 4th opens or close every 4th locker the 5th student opens or closes every 5th locker. and so on |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: dddave5-ga on 06 Feb 2005 13:45 PST |
school has exactly 1,000 lockers and exactly 1,000 students. On the first day of school, the students meet outside the building and agree on the following plan: The first student will enter the school and open all of the lockers. The second student will then enter the school and close every locker with an even number (2,4,6,8,...). The third student will then "reverse" every third locker. That is, if the locker is closed, he will open it; if the locker is open, he will close it. The fourth student will reverse every fourth locker, and so on until all 1,000 students, in turn, have entered the building and reversed the proper lockers. Which lockers will finally remain open? |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: flajason-ga on 06 Feb 2005 15:03 PST |
I'm not going to post the entire list, but here's an abbreviated version: 1-c;2-o;3-o;4-c;5-c;6-c;7-o;8-c;9-o;10-o;11-o;12-c;13-o;14-c;15-o; ..... 985-o;986-c;987-o;988-c;989-o;990-c;991-o;992-c;993-o;994-c;995-o;996-c;997-o;998-c;999-o;1000-c; Here's a little VBScript that you can run to get the full results. Just copy and paste the text below into a text editor and save as a .vbs file (Windows PCs only, unless you have a parser on a Mac or Linux box) Run it as cscript.exe <filename.vbs> to put the results into a console window for copying/pasting. 'start here ************* dim locker(999) dim i, j, msg msg = "" for i = 0 to 999 locker(i) = "o" next for j = 2 to 1000 for i = 0 to 999 step j+1 if locker(i) = "o" then locker(i) = "c" else locker(i) = "o" end if next next for i = 0 to 999 msg = msg & i+1 & "-" & locker(i) & ";" next wscript.echo msg 'end here ************* |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: dddave5-ga on 06 Feb 2005 15:33 PST |
i DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE A TEXT EDITOR OR DO THE THINGS YOU SUGGEST. hOW MANY DOORS ARE OPEN????? |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: flajason-ga on 06 Feb 2005 15:46 PST |
All of them except for 500. P.S. your CAPS lock is on |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: dddave5-ga on 06 Feb 2005 16:18 PST |
500 is not correct. your 1 thru 15 example is wrong. 1 is open then 4 is open then 9 is open the 16 is open. the other numbers are close. Thanks for the warning on the cap lock. |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 06 Feb 2005 20:53 PST |
1, 4, 9, 16...those are squares. Is that significant? Is it going to be 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81, 100, etc.? Why? |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: pinkfreud-ga on 06 Feb 2005 21:42 PST |
This may be of interest: "In a certain high school there were 1000 students and 1000 lockers. Each year for homecoming the students lined up in alphabetical order and performed the following ritual: The first student opened every locker. The second student went to every second locker and closed it. The third student went to every third locker and changed it (i.e., if the locker was open, he closed it; if it was closed, he opened it). In a similar manner, the fourth, fifth, sixth, . . . student changed every fourth, fifth, sixth, . . . locker. After all 1000 students had passed by the lockers, which lockers were open? The locker problem is really a 'problem.' For our students there is no way to solve it by recall since the locker problem does not look like any familiar type of 'story problem.' The only way to solve it is by doing mathematics. One might guess and check--popular guesses are prime number lockers, the first locker and/or the last locker. It is easy to check that the first locker remains open, but how about the last one? Prime numbers also don't seem to work (check 3 or 7, for example). It is clear that we have a problem. Someone in the class suggests that we see what will happen with 10 lockers. The class agrees that solving a simpler and more manageable problem might lead to some understanding of 'what's going on here?' Working in small groups they 'open' and 'close' 10 lockers: lockers 1, 4, and 9 remained open. Then they do the same with 20 lockers--1, 4, 9, and 16 are open. Sooner or later each small group in the class has a conjecture: Either that all the open lockers are square numbers or that the differences between the open lockers are consecutive odd numbers. Most prospective teachers are quite happy with their surprising solution and are willing to predict at this point what all the open lockers are. Since inductive reasoning is used in every day life as a mean for making predictions (e.g., Martin and Harel, 1989), most students see this stage as the final stage of the solution of the problem. But can we really be sure that the pattern continues? Why? To make sure that this is the case, deductive reasoning should be used to construct a supporting argument that is convincing. The questions mentioned above, in addition to some others that explore the relationship between a student's number and the locker numbers visited, are assigned as homework. The next day a whole-group discussion takes place. Many students discover that the relationship between student numbers and the locker numbers visited by them can be described as the relationship between factors and multiples. Throughout the discussion it becomes clearer that open lockers are the ones that have an odd number of factors. Do all square numbers have an odd number of factors? Why? Why do nonsquare numbers have an even number of factors? Investigating these questions by exploring factor pairs for some specific numbers (e.g., factor pairs for 24 are 1 and 24, 2 and 12, 3 and 8, 4 and 6. Factor pairs for 25 are 1 and 25, 5 and 5) makes it clearer why square numbers (and only square numbers) have an odd number of factors. How about the other conjecture? Are the differences between the open lockers consecutive odd numbers? Can we show that this is true? Proving by mathematical induction that the sum of consecutive odd numbers, starting from 1, is a square number, is not appropriate in this context. But a pictorial representation (see Figure 2) can provide a convincing argument. The number 1 is represented by one dot at the upper left corner. By adding the number 3 which is represented by three dots, we can form the number 4--a square of 2 x 2. Then, by adding the number 5 (five dots), the number nine can be formed--square of 3 x 3. One can verify that this process can continue for any given sum of consecutive odd number starting with 1. The result is always a square number." http://ncrtl.msu.edu/http/craftp/html/pdf/cp893.pdf |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: financeeco-ga on 07 Feb 2005 01:41 PST |
(NOTE... AFTER DOING ALL OF THIS, I REACHED AN ANSWER THAT MAKES INTUITIVE SENSE... SKIP TO THE BOTTOM FOR THAT) First, it sounds like you need to determine the state (open or closed) of EVERY SINGLE locker, so a guess-and-check system won't work. Start by treating all lockers as closed (before student #1 opens them all). You're going to end up keeping track of the quantity of factors for each "Test Number", where is "Test Number" is the number of a locker. For example, "Test Number" 6 is locker #6. The number 6 has factors of 1, 2, 3 and 6. Thus, locker #6 has its state changed FOUR times, because students 1,2,3,6 are the only ones who act on it. Since it begins as a closed locker, student 1 opens it.. student 2 closes.. student 3 opens.. student 6 closes. Thus, an EVEN number of factors for a Test Number means the locker is closed at the end. An ODD number means the locker is opened at the end. From this point, you can set up a table in Excel to test whether every number 1-1000 is a factor of every number 1-1000 (the MOD function gives you the remainder of division... where remainder is zero, the number is a factor). The Excel table outputs results and... lo and behold.. only perfect squares are open. Now that I think about it, that makes sense. Every number has its factors, and factors always come in pairs (1x20, 2x10, 4x5 for the number 20). So every locker will be opened and closed by a pair of students. The only exceptions are perfect squares, (1x36, 2x18, 3x12, 4x9, ****6x6**** for number 36), since the 'perfect square student' only acts on the locker once. In the case of locker #36, student number 6 comes along and opens it without the 'corresponding' student number 6 to come along after to close it. So perfect squares are the only numbers where the paired factors don't cancel each other out to re-close a locker that has been opened. Lockers corresponding to 1 squared through 31 squared are the only open lockers. |
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Re: 7th grade math
From: ddhara-ga on 07 Feb 2005 01:45 PST |
Pinkfreud As immaculate as ever.. i enjoyed your post... thanks -ddhara |
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