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Subject: 401K early withdrawl
Category: Business and Money > Finance
Asked by: rockface-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 06 Feb 2005 19:28 PST
Expires: 08 Mar 2005 19:28 PST
Question ID: 470114
What are the penalties for taking a partial, early withdrawl, from a
401k plan?  If a plan's bylaws do not allow for loans can you still
withdraw part of the total amount?  I'm looking to withdraw for an
emergency about $20,000 or approximately 14% of what is in there. 
Assuming I am in top tax bracket what kinds of penalties will I be
assessed with?

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 06 Feb 2005 20:11 PST
rockface-ga,

401(k) plans are permitted by law to allow penalty-free early
withdrawals for certain types of emergency expenses, such as large
medical or housing expenses.

However, not all plans offer such an option...it very much depends on
the individual details of your particular plan.

Is there anything preventing you from asking your plan adminstrator
about early withdrawals?  This is certainly your most direct and
reliable source of information.

If you want an overview about early withdrawals from 401(k)'s in
general, I'd  be glad to provide it as an answer to your
question...Just let me know.

HOWEVER, be aware that I can only provide general information...I
cannot address the specifics of what is or is not allowed under your
particular plan regarding early withdrawals.

Let me know how we should proceed at this point.

Thanks,

pafalafa-ga

Clarification of Question by rockface-ga on 06 Feb 2005 20:18 PST
I am aware of the qualifications for penalty free withdrawls and I do
not qualify.  I am also aware that our 401k does not allow for loans. 
What I am looking for is I guess a two part answer.  Total amount of
liability accessed based on a $20,000 early withdrawl including taxes
and liabilites.  I am assuming from your first answer that no matter
what, the employer would have to know about the withdrawl, you cannot
just call up and ask them to send you X dollars.  I would need
clarification of that.  I'm not too worried about that--I need to know
specifically the penalties, that is my biggest concern--and if a
partial withdrawl would affect any future contributions or generally
my standing in the plan.  If this makes sense and you think you can
help by all means carry on!  Thanks.
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Subject: Re: 401K early withdrawl
Answered By: wonko-ga on 07 Feb 2005 13:30 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
As the other researcher mentioned, it is impossible for us to provide
a conclusive answer for your specific plan about whether or not you
can get an early withdrawal.  I can provide you with information
regarding what the financial consequences of such a withdrawal would
be and how to find out what the specific procedure for your plan is. 
If you are not employed by the company that has your 401(k), then
withdrawing the money is no problem.  Worst case, you roll it over to
an IRA and then take it out of there once you have control over it. 
However, it sounds like you are still with the same company, which may
mean it is difficult or even impossible for you to gain access to the
money while you remain employed there.

Many 401(k) plans restrict early withdrawals (those made before age 59
1/2).  The MIT 401(k) plan only allows limited withdrawals in the
event of a terminal illness ("Supplemental 401(k) Plan" MIT
http://web.mit.edu/hr/benefits/supp401k_with.html).  The State of
Tennessee plan allows for hardship withdrawals, which is a
significantly broader definition, but one you may still not qualify
for ("Hardship Withdrawal Request" State of Tennessee
http://www.treasury.state.tn.us/dc/hardship.pdf).

In the case of the State of Tennessee plan, you would fill out the
form referenced above and send it to the benefits administration
company that maintains the 401(k).  For the MIT plan, you contact
Fidelity Investments.  So, there is no inherent need for you to inform
your employer of your desire to take an early withdrawal unless the
employer requires it, which would usually only be if it is acting as
its own benefits administrator.  If you can find out if there is a
third-party administrator and how to contact them, they should be able
to tell you your plan's rules governing early withdrawals and handle
the early withdrawal for you without your employer's involvement if
you qualify.

You can find out more information about your plan, including who
administers its benefits, by reviewing the materials your employer
provided you when you opened your 401(k) or requesting the Summary
Plan Description from your employer.  These materials may even be on
your company's web site or intranet.  These documents would tell you
what your options are for early withdrawal, if any, along with who to
contact regarding initiating an early withdrawal.  It would be
unlikely that an early partial withdrawal would affect your ability to
make future contributions or your general standing in the plan, but
you would need to consult the plan documents and/or the plan
administrator to be certain.

The financial consequences can be determined much more specifically. 
If you are under age 59 1/2, you will have to pay a 10% early
withdrawal penalty in addition to income taxes on the amount withdrawn
(federal, state, and local, if applicable).

The following web site explains how you calculate the costs associated
with an early 401(k) withdrawal:  "Investments in Retirement Plans "
Accounting Center (April 4, 2003)
http://www.accounting-center.com/401kearly.html.

However, the web site has not been updated to reflect the Bush tax
cuts.  The current federal tax rates can be found at: "2004 Federal
Personal Income Tax Rates" Yahoo Finance
http://taxes.yahoo.com/rates.html.  The tax cuts lower the costs a
little bit.

Assuming you are a "typical" American in the 25% tax bracket living in
Texas, a state without a state income tax or local income tax, an
early withdrawal of $20,000 from your 401(k) would result in the
following costs:

Early withdrawal penalty of 10%: $2000
Federal income tax of 25%: $5,000
Net proceeds from withdrawal: $13,000

You would lose 35% of your early withdrawal to taxes and penalties. 
If there is a state income tax and/or a local income tax, and/or you
are in a higher tax bracket, then you lose even more.  As the
Accounting Center reference notes, an early withdrawal form your
401(k) is about the worst place you can go to get money, short of a
Mafia loan shark.  Not only do you pay heavy costs up front, but you
also lose the benefits of tax-deferred compounding of the money.

Sincerely,

Wonko
rockface-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Your answer was very specific and helpful, although I did find out
today, that my plan does offer loans.  When we instituted the plan in
'94 it did not offer loans so I'm not sure how the provision was
added.  In any case I'll go that route if need be.  But your answer
was very specific and targeted exactly towards the question I asked. 
I conducted my own search and could not find the links you provided. 
5 stars.  Thanks.

Comments  
Subject: Re: 401K early withdrawl
From: dhbphotography-ga on 07 Feb 2005 04:44 PST
 
You should consult with a certified financial planner or investment
advisor.  There are many factors; including if you are still employed
at the company that provided the plan and the ?by laws? of the plan. 
You may be subject to a 10% early withdrawal penalty from the IRS.

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