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Subject:
Cracking a Code
Category: Science Asked by: foxmccloud-ga List Price: $100.00 |
Posted:
08 Feb 2005 05:56 PST
Expires: 30 Jul 2005 10:16 PDT Question ID: 470967 |
http://www.krys04204.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/billsyearbook.jpg This was a yearbook entry from one of my friends from school. I have been unable to crack the numerical code and small letters. So far, from previous knowledge, i have found the Large lettered code Knowing that his email address is sequorathotmaildotcom and his address is twentyeightvictoriaroad i could work the rest out. As for the numbers i know his birthday is 16 of April 1986. I am led to believe the smaller letters are not only coded but coded in Latin. The creator of the code said frequency analysis shouldn't be required. My Question is what does the rest of the code say? (that is small letters and numbers) and how did you work it out? | |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: spookysr-ga on 08 Feb 2005 11:26 PST |
First of all... why do you care? If he is your "friend" you would already know everything you need to know about him. By his use of the term "frequency analysis" it implies that he probably is using a simple substitution encryption. To start try counting the frequency of how often a particular letter occurs in the cypher. Once you find the highest frequency assume that is the english letter "e". Then your on your own after that. |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: foxmccloud-ga on 08 Feb 2005 12:30 PST |
There are things i don't even know about myself let alone my friends. I know 3 words to sum him up but not his 3 words. Besides why would he have coded it if it was pointless? I don't think you read the question very well. It is most likely coded in latin and so it's almost as likely to be an I as it is to be an E and he said "frequency analysis" wasn't needed. I've used simple decryption methods and they have proved fruitless. That is why i have come to the experts. I already know his telephone number but i want to know how it was coded as goes with the second part of my question not simply what it says. Any contributions would be much appreciated. |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: spookysr-ga on 08 Feb 2005 14:41 PST |
You said he said: "frequency analysis [shouldn't] be required". To my suspicous mind I take that as SUBTERFUGE to throw you off the trail. If he is your friend and you know him well enough simply call or email him and ask for more clues or just tell him you give up. The only code breakers I know of who might look at this for you besides the NSA is SmithDanl@aol.com or check out his web site: http://codebrkr.infopages.net SMITH & DANIEL 678-B Shetter Ave Jacksonville Beach, FL 32250 Phone: 1-800-330-1325 They may help you for free if you make it sound intriguing or at least interesting... |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: kiffer-ga on 08 Feb 2005 16:51 PST |
Hum ... I've got a good way though this ... but some of it just does'nt seem to make sense ... any Idea what UTLITTERISHUMANIORIBUSSTUDEAM could be ? it's a correctly decyphered cause it works for the rest of the small text block on the right hand side ... UT LITTER IS HUMAN I OR I BUSSTUDE AM? next few lines make sense, Kind of. Still no idea what the 3 words at the bottom are. Also are you sure about the birthdate? |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: kiffer-ga on 08 Feb 2005 17:05 PST |
Um quick question ... does this guy know that you've posted this on the net? I'm hoping this data is not *real* personal data, it's got his name, address and telephone number listed ... admittadly in code, but you've given out a house address in plain text. |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: foxmccloud-ga on 08 Feb 2005 17:15 PST |
He's aware of this and still believes no one will get it. We came to the conclusion that since he 18 and thus on the voting register so his personal details are in the public domain anyway(being in the UK). i am very sure about the birthday i was led to beleive the numbers are to do with primes not quite sure what. The large letters i worked out to be "the queens collage oxford" I've no idea what the UTLITTERISHUMANIORIBUSSTUDEAM is doesn't seem to be latin. What does the rest of the smaller letters say and how are you doing this? Thanks for all your help guys, even people on IRC code rooms have struggled with this. |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: spookysr-ga on 08 Feb 2005 19:11 PST |
Well if it is UT LITTERIS HUMANIORIBUS STUDEAM then a loose translation is as follows: "As Letters Humane Zeal". Could that mean the "zeal to obtain Doctor of Humane Letters"? Regarding your comment about "prime numbers". If you convert each of the small letters to a alphabetic value (i.e. A=1...Z=26) you would have an enormously large real number. You then need to find all of its prime factors (numbers that can evenly divide into the enormous whole number with a modified Sieve of Eratosthenes). You would need a Fortran compiler to deal with numbers this large as others will truncate large numbers to scientific notation (e+¹²). Of course you can not factor a prime number as it is only divisable by itself and 1. So you have to put a dummy number on the end of it to trick it into becoming a non-prime. That would be the number 5 which appears at the end of your friends cypher. However, 5 is a prime number but 15~(X+5) is not. Now when you factor out all of the non-prime factors with a modified Sieve of Eratosthenes you will have a bunch of numbers you can split up into two-digit pairs which you can convert back to decoded alphabetic characters. Sounds like a fiendishly complex bit of math programming which only a machine like a DEC mainframe or higher could number crunch. Way too intense for me and I can't understand why he would go to that much trouble and not try to market it or something... I still believe the most unbreakable encryption to date is the ancient Greek Steganography or as I like to call it "hide in plain sight encryption". Remember in Star Trek how Giordi LaForge hid the encrypted SOS datastream from the enemy in the ship's nacelles wake noise by causing the stream to look like the noise with a psuedo-random alorithim? |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: foxmccloud-ga on 09 Feb 2005 10:33 PST |
Oh it certainly won't be that complicated. Though this guy is a sound mathematican when it comes to computers he doesn't know his arse from his elbow. It's probably gonna be something dead simple that we are overlooking but i can't place it. Got the latin to be translated as "so that I may study [a very pretentious way of saying classics]" this proceeds The Queens collage oxford so it seems to fit in. Thanks for all the help so far guys/girls. This is all rather beyond me i feel. |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: super_aardvark-ga on 10 Feb 2005 14:12 PST |
Working off kiffer's work, here's the small-text cypher. Not sure how kiffer came up with it, except that it's another simple substitution cypher, and so is in fact suceptible to frequency analysis. Plain text in upper case: UT LITTERIS HUMANIORIBUS STUDEAM hk qfkkmbfr yhcsafxbfvhr rkhemsc COUNT FOR EXAMPLE A NUMBER LACKING DIRECTION ixhak txb mzscgqm s ahcvmb qsiufap efbmikfxa FOLLOWING THE SO ND OF A DRINK BEFORE THE txqqxdfap kym rxoae xt s ebfau vmtxbm kym FRENCH ARTICLE tbmaiy sbkfiqm 5 Not sure what to do with the 5. Also, note what appears to be "SOUND", but with the cyphertext character 'o' where 'h' should be. The possible letters for 'o' are J,Q,V,Y,Z. Perhaps your friend made a mystake? The plain text seems to be some sort of riddle. "French article" could be 'un', 'la', etc, or e.g. a magazine article. "Number lacking direction" could be a palindromic number. "Following the sound of a drink" could mean "that sounds like the name of a drink", or "after 'gulp'" or some such. This also reveals the hand-written line on the left: MODULO Title: cxehqx 2,2.3 That dot may be a multiplication sign rather than a period. Still a bit of a mystery, but could be a clue as to how to interpret the numbers above. The key: NRMWDIPUC T E GLSAFKB OHX abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ sviemtpyf uqcaxg brkh dz |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: therealduke-ga on 12 Feb 2005 12:29 PST |
The small letter code is the reverse of the large-letter code. My version is an extension of the stuff before: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ sviemtpyf-uqcaxgnbrkhodzlw the birthday can be found as follows: 2*29*2767 = 160486 (16-04-'86) i guess the same code holds for the other two numbers, but i have no way to verify that. my total transliteration of the text on the left is: 'THE QUEEN[']S COLLEGE OXFORD UNIVERSITY' 'ut litteris humanioribus studeam' (that i study the litterae humaniores, [finalis]) 'count for example a number lacking direction following the sovnd of a drink before the french article 5' maybe with 'a number lacking direction' he means 'scalar', which contains 'la'. i don't know what 'the sovnd of a drink' would be (v can replace u in latin). that leaves the numbers. i guess the question is whether 'count for example a number lacking direction following the sovnd of a drink before the french article 5' provides a clue as to how to read these. maybe also the modulo 2,2.3 offers a hint, but conventions on how to write down modulo operations vary quite a bit. |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: therealduke-ga on 13 Feb 2005 15:28 PST |
there were some remarks about prime numbers before, and the birthday encoding, and phone numbers seem to be prime factorizations indeed (every number is prime, and as i mentioned the birthday factors multiply to the correct answer). so the guy know how to get a prime factorization. |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: therealduke-ga on 13 Feb 2005 17:56 PST |
A possible interpretation of the riddle, s-ca-la-r, s = sound of drink, la = french article; ca = 31. 31 mod 26 = 5. this suggests that some kind of mod 26 arithmetic needs to be applied to the numbers below. so the riddle would say: "count e.g. 'ca' (31) as 5" |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: therealduke-ga on 13 Feb 2005 23:18 PST |
any idea whether (1) the title is relevant, and how to understand "modulo 2,2.3"? and (2) in which language he might say what about himself? will the answer be sufficiently obvious that i might actually recognize it as such? questions, questions... |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: foxmccloud-ga on 15 Feb 2005 14:42 PST |
I must say i have no idea about what modulo 2,2.3 is maybe help to crack the numbers with the use of modulus not that it will make much difference but with all this talk of scalars could be. He will have only written this in latin or english. Not that that really narrows it down. I have no idea what this french article 5 is either. Hmmmmmmm i think i'm left with more questions than answers. he did say once that the three words about him would be the hardest to crack so probably explains the difficulty. he's always been a fan of cryptic crosswords so i'll have a think about his clue. Thanks alot guys and/or Girls. |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: alan7002-ga on 17 Feb 2005 13:49 PST |
The Modulo 2,2.3 is modulo 26 a la alphabet. The a through g letters are subsitutions for 1 through 9, likely directly, less likely inverted or even less likely offset, anything else would be rather difficult to crack and you 'it's going to be something dead simple'.. There are 3 words and 3 (c) perhaps to denote each word? There are 4, 28, 12 lower case letters in the code. I will hazard a guess that the answer words are 2, 14, 6 letters long. How the pairs of letters are translated to get the number for mod (X,26)? Possible ways...each pair of letters make X, product, offset by the mysterious 5? Alan |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: alan7002-ga on 17 Feb 2005 18:40 PST |
One other observation...the first 12 letters of the second group are identical to the 12 letters of the third group. Perhaps if this is Latin, the arrangement will suggest something. Alan |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: foxmccloud-ga on 22 Feb 2005 06:42 PST |
cc bb cc ff di ae ei ie cc aa 33 22 33 66 48 15 58 85 33 11 bb Ib ii gg di gg cc ff di ae 22 82 88 77 48 77 33 66 48 15 ei ie 58 85 The are all the pairs and their numerical equivalents. I've tried using 26 + - * using mod as suggested and come away with nothing. If anyone else has anymore ideas i'd be very greatful. Thanks |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: therealduke-ga on 05 Mar 2005 20:14 PST |
i didn't have time to work it out, but there is another way to decode a number like ccbb mod 26: say it's really 3322, one can do subsequent mod 26 operations on this number: 3322 = 127 * 26 + 20, 127 = 4 * 26 + 23, and 4 mod 26 = 0*26+4, leaving 3322 > 20, 23, 4. the same can be done for the other numbers. if you ever find out, let us know. |
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Re: Cracking a Code
From: foxmccloud-ga on 06 May 2005 08:02 PDT |
I still got nothing everything always seems to lead to nothing. I've no idea how any of this links back to a codified finish. If anyone has ANYTHING to add please do. |
Subject:
Re: Cracking a Code
From: kiffer-ga on 21 Jun 2005 04:34 PDT |
any result? |
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