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Subject:
Is something wrong with me?
Category: Health Asked by: zyxw-ga List Price: $50.00 |
Posted:
08 Feb 2005 08:31 PST
Expires: 10 Mar 2005 08:31 PST Question ID: 471059 |
Background: I am 33 years old, happily married with six kids. I am 5?8.5?, 150lbs. I try to live a very healthy lifestyle. I do high intensity exercise for at least 25 minutes four times per week. I eat mostly whole grains, skim milk, legumes, nuts, fruits and vegetables and very little meat, cheese or saturated fats. I drink 10-13 oz of red wine each evening. I have no health problems and take no medicines, including aspirin, Advil, cough medicine, ibuprofen or etc. I do take a multivitamin every day. For the most part I have never been very sick. I did contract the West Nile Virus this summer and was very sick for about three weeks. During this time I did take some Tylenol and Advil. This was probably the first time in 15 years that I had taken any medicine. My resting heart rate is 45. My blood pressure is 100/50. I generally go to bed between 8pm-9pm. I wake between 3am-5am. I work out in the mornings and then go to work. I generally arrive at work between 5am-6am, and leave around 4pm. I live in a northern climate. My Question/Concern: If I do not get adequate sleep (7-8 hours), I almost immediately (within a day) develop a cold. This weekend is a typical example. I took three of our kids skiing on Saturday and Sunday. On Saturday I did not get adequate sleep at the hotel (approx. 5.5 hours), and on Sunday our plane arrived very late and I also got a similar amount of sleep. Sunday I felt as though I had a slight sore throat. Monday I awoke with a sore throat and nasal congestion. Today, Tuesday, it?s more of the same. This same scenario happens every time I go outside of my routine and do not get adequate sleep. Shouldn?t my body be able to handle this without developing a cold? Am I harboring some type of virus that never goes away? Could there be something very wrong with my immune system? Concerning your answer: I am an engineer and am very partial to hard data. I do not mind if you do not give me a definitive answer, but instead provide information and facts supporting multiple possibilities (with links to supporting studies/statistics). I am not much of a believer in supplements or natural home remedies so PLEASE do not tell me that I should ?take xxx herb, or yyy extract, or etc? unless you have a published, peer reviewed study to back it up (i.e. published in a respected journal or equivalent and should at the very least be referenced in Medline). |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: adiloren-ga on 08 Feb 2005 08:35 PST |
Do you take a zinc supplement? Zinc has been proven to boost the immune system. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: just4fun2-ga on 08 Feb 2005 09:08 PST |
Psychosomatic - Basically, you talked yourself into it. Why? I can only guess but reading over your question and the detail of it - how else could you convince anyone that has 6 kids that this routine of your's is THAT necessary. If I had 6 kids, your routine would be an escape. An escape I would need. Don't know anything about you, nothing - So more than likly I'm blowing wind out of my but*, but it seems to me physical health has very little to do with it and a lot to do with mental health. My dearest father was an engineer, so I lived with the "by the numbers" stuff - Personally, the "by the numbers" stuff only works with stuff... Does not work very well with thinking, living people who have 6 kids. Good luck - I'm sorry if I am so off base that you get upset. It's just an opinion - and may not be worth much. But..... :) |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 08 Feb 2005 09:33 PST |
Thanks for the feedback. I do not take a zinc supplement although the multivitamin I take has 100% of the RDA for zinc. Some studies seem to question the effectiveness of zinc: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9643859 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10801968 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11692298 Because of concern that long term this could be harmful, I do not take zinc. Pyschosomatic- Could be I suppose - although I usually think of myself as invincible health wise and have no other health problems. I'd expect this to carry over into other things. Thanks. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 08 Feb 2005 09:56 PST |
The frequency of your symptoms makes me think of an allergy rather than a series of colds. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 08 Feb 2005 10:15 PST |
I have no allergies that I know of. Do you know if allergy symptons flare in response to lack of sleep? I feel exactly like I have a cold. Are allergy symptons that similar to a cold for some people? |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: alanna-ga on 08 Feb 2005 10:36 PST |
It seems not. But insofar as lack of sleep may mimic psychological stress (in that the former is often a symptom of the latter, but not in your case) you might check out these links. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9619470 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1713648 |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 08 Feb 2005 11:20 PST |
Very interesting links - thanks. It seems like there is almost always one of our kids with a cold. In fact right now, two have colds. I found it very interesting that in the study up to 90% of the subjects developed infection and almost 50% developed clinical colds after exposure. I would guess that I'm almost always being exposed to cold viruses so perhaps its not so abnormal that I get a cold when I get slightly run down? |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 08 Feb 2005 11:42 PST |
I am very intrigued by the possibility of it being an allergy. I have noted that after eating a particular dish that I love, it seems that I almost always catch a cold. The dish is hummus. We prepare it as follows: 1 can chick peas (14oz) 1 bulb Garlic (entire bulb) Juice of 1 lemon 1/2c tahini paste 1/2c olive oil I can't imagine I'm alergic to garlic, we use an entire bulb in numerous dishes, and from the superficial research I did cold like symptoms do not seem to fit with allergies to garlic. Perhaps the tahini? Is anyone familiar with an allergy to sesame seeds that gives cold like symptoms? |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: tlspiegel-ga on 08 Feb 2005 11:46 PST |
Here's some information on tahini/sesame seed allergy. Be sure to click on the links at the bottom of the article for more: http://www.food-allergens.de/symposium-3-2/sesame/sesame-abstract.html |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: tlspiegel-ga on 08 Feb 2005 12:05 PST |
http://www.pharmj.com/pdf/articles/pj_20011124_sesame.pdf |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 08 Feb 2005 12:18 PST |
Thanks. I was unable however to load any links from the first document because a user name and password were required. Were you able to load them? |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: probonopublico-ga on 08 Feb 2005 12:30 PST |
YES ... An allergy is the prime suspect! And you will never know unless you get fully tested. Maybe dust or carpet mites ... They are little sods. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: stressedmum-ga on 08 Feb 2005 14:24 PST |
I couldn't work out from your question if you're the mother or the father in this family. If you are the mother, and at age 33, you've had 6 pregnancies and work out and work full time, I would suggest that you're exhausted despite all your efforts at eating properly, exercising and 'in control' attitude etc. So if one single thing goes awry, such as missing out on your sleep, you will suffer immediate consequences. I'm purposely *not* sending you any references because, from this tiny insight into your life, I truly believe that your need for 'hard data' is part of the problem and is allowing you to justify your closed mind other people's suggestions of help. It is possible to be too clever, too informed and too 'in control' when it comes to one's body. I truly don't mean to offend, but just a friendly bit of advice... in your efforts at obtaining "by the numbers" stuff, don't forget to listen to your inner voice and the wisdom of unqualified friends and family who might care about you. Ask your kids to tell you why they think you're not well. You might be surprised at their insights! To get natural, healthy, sound sleep, here's a completely unfounded, unmedical suggestion. Do you have Horlicks in your part of the world? It's a malt powder that you add to warm milk and it's reputed to help one sleep (maybe it's high in tryptophan). Get some and give yourself some nurturing and allow yourself the incredible luxury of relaxing and being ordinary. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 08 Feb 2005 15:18 PST |
Thanks for the comment. I'm the father. I actually have no trouble falling asleep, or staying asleep. My wife will attest to this. She actually does have trouble and is up with the kids much more often than I. The problem is occassionaly I do not have enough time to get the amount of sleep I require. I will mention the product you wrote about to my wife. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 09 Feb 2005 05:46 PST |
I am fairly convinced that it is not an allergy and is a cold. The discharge from my nose, as well as the mucus I cough up is very dark green in color. I am under the impression that it would not be so if this were an allergy. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: powerjug-ga on 09 Feb 2005 09:49 PST |
Compare your blood pressure to the perfect blood pressure of 113 over 70. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: just4fun2-ga on 09 Feb 2005 12:34 PST |
I gave your problem a little more thought and came up with this. No hard data, just a thought that you can, if you're willing, prove. And it will be easy. But, I will bet, you'll hate it. :) It could be you are overtraining. You have the exact balance set up between working out like a crazy man and recuperative sleep. When that balance is upset, by not getting enough sleep your body reacts. Now to prove this, stop working out for a few weeks. Let your body completely heal itself from the overtraining. If you get depressed, then it's a safe bet that you have overtrained. Why? edorphins, which I'm sure you know about. After two weeks, let's say, randomly pick days to sleep only 6 hours. If you wake up and are "normal" then you have more proof of your overtraining. Now something very interesting is going to happen if you are overtraining and take off two weeks. When you go back to working out - you will be stronger. And now a question: Why don't you take an aspirin a day given the hard data on it health benefits? I have my reasons for not doing it, I was wondering about yours. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 10 Feb 2005 06:56 PST |
Thanks for the suggestions. I really am only exercising 4 days a week for 25 minutes so I can't imagine this would qualify as overtraining. But I'll definitely consider it. Concerning asprin, I am leary of taking in medications. For asprin in particular, I would not think the trade off of an increased risk of bleeding ulcers for decreased risk of heart attack would make much sense given my age, exercise habits, and good eating habits. Also I would be slightly concerned about the blood thinning effects. I already get dizzy sometimes if I stand up quickly. I was told this is due to my low heart rate. I would guess that this would be made worst by asprin. Thanks. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 10 Feb 2005 07:12 PST |
Concerning my blood pressure: I have been told that my high pulse pressure (difference between systolic and diastolic which usually is between 50-60 for me) is due to my low heart rate. This is described briefly here: http://www.coheadquarters.com/PennLibr/MyPhysiology/lect8/bp19.htm But I have always been concerned that this is not the case and is indicative of inelastic vessles and a predictor of a future heart attack. I hope this is not the case. Does anyone have any insight on this? |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: probonopublico-ga on 10 Feb 2005 08:23 PST |
Hi, zxyw Yesterday, my BP was 105/62 and my Pulse Rate 49. My doc (who really knows her stuff) reckons this is OK. I got into the habit of getting up at 5 a.m. years ago when I was studying - trying to cram a 12 month course into 3 months - which I did. I found that I liked it and I came to consider it normal, for me. I am told that allergies can hit you at any time but that once you have sussed them out then they can be controlled. If I were you I would not worry about the heart stuff or the early morning regime ... Neither has done me any harm (as far as I know). Good Health! Bryan |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 10 Feb 2005 09:14 PST |
Yes I also am quite used to getting up early and seem to have no trouble with it. I appreciate your feedback. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: just4fun2-ga on 10 Feb 2005 10:48 PST |
Overtraining can come from many different causes. Diet for one. When I was into heavy lifting, depending on my diet, it could take forever to heal from a workout. You might think about increasing your cals per day by, maybe, 1000. I can read your mind -- :) if you are overtraining you will not be putting on weight. Your body will take those cals and use them to repair any damage. If your cal intake is to low - your body can be in a constant state of overtraining. Given your size and weight and workout you should be taking in approx. 3000 cals a day. How many cals do you take in a day? |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: pycnic-ga on 11 Feb 2005 15:45 PST |
zyxw - just found your thread.. Here's a hard data aphorism "association does not prove causation" Sleep may very well have little to do with what you're experiencing. You don't give a frequency for your colds over time but the example you give including "children", "hotel" & "plane" screams 'proximity' & "exposure' to me. If you think it feels like a cold and not an allergy, then I believe you.. There are hundreds of rhinoviruses out there & travel is the best way to contract new ones. Also children, bless their little hearts, are a cesspool of contagion. Given that your breaks in routine that seem to correlate with a subsequent cold will, no doubt, include these factors again, I don't see any alternative but to live with it. Dehydration, from planes or exercise, will improve your chances of catching something - stay well hydrated. Diet-wise, I'd add something leafy with high iron if you're not disposed toward flesh. Also, don't let anyone criticize aspirin. It's an amazing drug, cheap like rocks and may save your life. You want to be around for those 6 kids, and their kids, and their... An 81 mg (low dose) enteric coated (if it makes you feel better) aspirin a day gives you the greatest cost-benefit of any product on the market. Probably won't help with the colds, though. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 12 Feb 2005 07:13 PST |
I appreciate the comment. You are correct, my evidence is anecdotal and the cause I gave may not correlate at all. I have not recorded the frequency of my colds, my level of sleep prior to getting colds, or really anything about my health. As such I am just working from memory which could be way off base. I will start recording for sometime just to see how well they correlate. I am reluctanct to start aspirin but I will definitely reconsider this. Thanks. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: jquest21-ga on 15 Feb 2005 09:33 PST |
I am reading over your comments , it seems you are very in control of your heath and mind, . . . but on the same note your perfect ways can be a downfall, even when you are not aware of it mentally. I may be off but you can't have a perfect control over who and what you are, without balance. No one can get away with perfection. My guess would be that you have a emotional longing to have things in excessive order , but lurking beneath the surface is you mind\body attempt to bring balance. Remeber what doesnt kill you makes you stronger. Quite possibly this could be the result of years of have a prefect heath. So basically your "physical body" has been trained and perfected , but your immune system has been on the couch watching tv. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 15 Feb 2005 10:22 PST |
"My guess would be that you have a emotional longing to have things in excessive order" True but overall I think this keeps me healthier. I agree, that perhaps my immune system is not that great, but I what I want to know is whether that's true. Perhpas their is no answer. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: just4fun2-ga on 16 Feb 2005 10:29 PST |
My Question/Concern: If I do not get adequate sleep (7-8 hours), I almost immediately (within a day) develop a cold. How about this, set up a failure test. Make an appointment for a complete health physical, let us say in two weeks. Do your normal routine, then on the day before the physical, sleep 6 hours. They will check your white blood count and tell you if it's normal. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 16 Feb 2005 11:37 PST |
Good suggestion - I may try this. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 23 Feb 2005 09:19 PST |
Thanks for the suggestions. I have been thinking that it may be totally normal since I'm usually around some type of virus. Its good to hear that from someone else. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: nowwhat-ga on 24 Feb 2005 09:54 PST |
Perhaps you might consider reducing your daily intake of wine to 6 oz. or less. A little is good, however 10-13 oz., day after day, may be borderline toxic. |
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Re: Is something wrong with me?
From: zyxw-ga on 24 Feb 2005 10:38 PST |
Concerning: "A little is good, however 10-13 oz., day after day, may be borderline toxic." Do you have data or studies you can site to support this? I have been concerned by this but all the studies I have read suggest two glasses of wine for men (or 10oz) and one glass of wine for woman (I am a man). In fact this is what the 2005 Dietary Guidelines recommend (see: http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/document/pdf/Chapter9.pdf). I never drink more than 10-13 oz per day. |
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