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Bicycle physics
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: fredrikfen-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
09 Feb 2005 03:07 PST
Expires: 11 Mar 2005 03:07 PST Question ID: 471614 |
Hi, I am designing a special bicycle where the center of gravity is low because the rider is positioned near the ground, and between the two wheels. Can you explain to me how this affects stability and steering agility; movement of the bodys center of gravity obviously plays a role here. |
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Re: Bicycle physics
From: silver777-ga on 09 Feb 2005 03:30 PST |
Hi Fredrikfen, I believe that you have described what I have seen here in Aus. May I ask where you reside? My limited understanding of physics suggests that stability is gained from a lower point of gravity. And that is exactly what you are designing. The "bikes" I have seen shows the rider prostrate between the forward and aft wheels, almost lying down. The other advantage of this design is that any jolting bumps are absorbed via the suspension attached to the wheels beyond the extremity of the rider's body. No bone shaking jolts to endure. The bumps are encountered forward and aft of the rider. As for steering, I guess it would be the same as any bike. As long as you have unhindered vision, the weight distribution should remain constant. I trust that our fellow physicists and mathematicians here can enlighten both of us with correct formulas. Please describe a bit more, as your idea is very interesting. Phil |
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Re: Bicycle physics
From: fredrikfen-ga on 09 Feb 2005 04:19 PST |
Thank you for quick response. I live in Norway, The bicycle I am working with is supposed to be a "job-commuter", with low wind drag and the posibillity to sit shielded from rain and snow. Therefore the low profile. When riding a bike the rider constantly shifts his/her center of gravity to nuteralize the force of gravity and centrifugal forces. The ground is the reaction surface of the wheels right? so I guess "the closer the rider is to the ground, the less body movement is needed to adjust the vehicles of gravity? And the bike is less likely to tip over in any direciton? |
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Re: Bicycle physics
From: bravedog-ga on 09 Feb 2005 09:00 PST |
Vehicle stability is dependent on the the horizontal displacement of the center of gravity to the pivot point of our bicycle. If your bicycle tips at 5 degrees and the center of gravity is high, the offset is greater than if the center of gravity is low. This is due to the moment produced from the gravity acting on the center of gravity. Example: Assume a bicyle with cg at 4 feet above tire contact with ground is tilted 5 degrees: Offset from the center of gravity to the tire/road reaction force is 4*tan 5=0.350 feet, or 4.2 inches. The moment is the weight of the system * this offset. Now assume the different bicycle with the cg only 2 feet above center, same tilt: 2*tan 5=0.175 feet, or 2.1 inches. Assuming that the system weight is the same, the moment is now cut in half for the same amount of tilt. |
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Re: Bicycle physics
From: mister2u-ga on 09 Feb 2005 09:11 PST |
In other words bicycle frame geometry is not as simple as it looks! www.sheldonbrown.com is a good site for bicycle theory you can contact Sheldon for more info. |
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Re: Bicycle physics
From: dancethecon-ga on 09 Feb 2005 18:45 PST |
I remember from patent law seminars I attended that the two areas that get the most patent applications in the USA are bicycles and toothbrushes. If you have hopes of patenting something new, please check all applicable "current art" (the legal term for ANYTHING ANYWHERE that describes what you propose). My advice would be to hire a top-notch patent law lawyer to research this for you before you commit any appreciable money or resources to the project. It'd be a shame if your idea already existed in prior art, even if it hasn't been developed. That'd mean you couldn't patent the idea. You could manufacture it, of course--assuming it weren't covered by a current patent--but so could anyone else. G'luck, dtc |
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Re: Bicycle physics
From: fredrikfen-ga on 10 Feb 2005 10:54 PST |
Thank's, all of you! Your comments were quite helpful. bravedog; your answer was to-the-point, good! As for patents, I think I may have something underways. I'll patent here in Norway firstly (where law is simpler), and then I will evaluate local production or selling the ideas to taiwanese, chinese, or even american(?) bicycle manufacturers. :) - Fredrik - |
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