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Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! help
Category: Health > Medicine Asked by: please_answer_my_q-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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09 Feb 2005 08:54 PST
Expires: 11 Mar 2005 08:54 PST Question ID: 471750 |
I am going to add clarification to this question, but I want to add this basic description of my question first to see if anyone actually knows something about the topic: I am an Ivy League student who started taking antidepressants (SSRIs) three years ago, which was my senior year in high school. My grades, shortly thereafter, plummeted, and I have continued to struggle with grades the last three years. Up until I went on meds, my GPA in high school was a 3.9 and I took all the hardest classes. The semester I was on meds, my GPA went to a 3.1. I know I can perform better than I have. (My GPA is about 2.5 in 3 years of college). After several years of experiencing and evaluating this problem, I believe my memory is effected in some way by the medication; after all, I have no other explanation for why I fail to perform well on tests given I study hard and long for them. However, the dilemma is that I need this medication in order to function; after all, I've never felt better in my life. My social relationships are great, whereas they wouldn't be if I went off the meds. So given it is not an option to go off the meds, what is the problem here? And is there some deficiency these meds are causing in terms of whatever vitamins my brain may need to store memory? FYI: right now I am taking Lexapro, Wellbutrin and Trileptal (mood stablizer). Up until 8 months ago, I took Prozac. So I was on Prozac from senior year in high school up until 8 months ago. |
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Re: Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! help
From: lrulrick-ga on 09 Feb 2005 09:14 PST |
http://www.lexapro-side-effects.net/ "In a study in normal volunteers, LEXAPRO 10 mg/day did not impair psychomotor performance. The effect of LEXAPRO on psychomotor coordination, judgment, or thinking has not been systematically examined in controlled studies. Because psychoactive drugs may impair judgment, thinking or motor skills, patients should be cautioned about operating hazardous machinery, including automobiles, until they are reasonably certain that LEXAPRO therapy does not affect their ability to engage in such activities. Patients should be told that, although LEXAPRO has not been shown in experiments with normal subjects to increase the mental and motor skill impairments caused by alcohol, the concomitant use of LEXAPRO and alcohol in depressed patients is not advised." http://www.healthsquare.com/newrx/tri1563.htm Side effects cannot be anticipated. If any develop or change in intensity, inform your doctor as soon as possible. Only your doctor can determine if it is safe for you to continue taking Trileptal. More common side effects may include: Abdominal pain, abnormal gait, anxiety, back pain, bruising, chest infection, confusion, constipation, convulsions, cough, diarrhea, dizziness, double vision, emotional instability, falling down, fatigue, headache, involuntary eye movement, loss of appetite, long-term memory loss, muscle incoordination, nausea, nervousness, nosebleed, pain, poor coordination, rash, runny nose, sinus inflammation, sleepiness, sleeplessness, sore throat, stomach upset, sweating, taste disorder, tremor, upper respiratory infection, urinary tract infection, vertigo, viral infection, vision disorder, vomiting, weakness Less common side effects may include: Abnormal feeling, abnormal thinking, acne, agitation, allergy, bronchitis, chest pain, decreased sensitivity, dry mouth, earache, ear infection, fever, fluid retention, frequent urination, head injury, hot flushes, impaired concentration, increased sweating, infection, involuntary muscle contraction, low blood pressure, movement disturbances, muscle pain or weakness, pneumonia, poor eye coordination, rectal bleeding, red or purple spots on the skin, sore throat, speech disorder, sprains and strains, stomach inflammation, swollen legs, thirst, toothache, vaginal inflammation, weight increase ** As at least these two may impair thinking, concentration- you may be right in believe that taking these is effecting your grades. However I would talk about this with your doctor, before taking any action. Although this may be the cause there certainly could be other causes you are not aware of. lru |
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Re: Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! help
From: mewtwo-ga on 09 Feb 2005 11:47 PST |
The brightest and most ingenious people I've met in my life did not have good GPAs in school. The most financially successful people did not have good grades. The only thing GPAs tell is how hard the person worked and was focused during a particular time period (if s/he didn't cheat). It is only relevant if you subject yourself to a weeding out process, such as post-graduate admissions and initial job search. Later on in your career, it becomes less important. Letters of recommendation and word of mouth are much more precious. Regardless, we all try to get good grades for whatever it is worth. So, have you tried coffee? My freshman year GPA was 2.7, pre-coffee, but for the last 3 years of college, 4.0, post-coffee. Highly recommend Peete's Coffee. |
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Re: Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! he
From: please_answer_my_q-ga on 09 Feb 2005 14:28 PST |
I would rather not use coffee given caffeine has not been the best for me. Is there anything else I can take that may help me out? I have heard the comment about grades not mattering a lot, and I tend to agree with that; however, my concern is that my bad grades come as a result of not having the memory or other natural functions while I'm on meds that I had off of meds. I mean, it is not an issue of me putting in effort: I studied very hard my first two years in college, but I always felt that it was studying in vain because I would not be able to remember or process it later. I find it hard to believe it could be anything outside of the meds because essentially nothing else has changed other than the fact I have been on meds. Regarding the standard side effect profiles, I do not consider that comprehensive enough to be an answer to my question. I need more in the way of actual studies or an assessment of what these chemicals can do in the brain. |
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Re: Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! help
From: lrulrick-ga on 09 Feb 2005 14:57 PST |
Well well, I am going to blame your medications on the fact that you did not actually ask for case study in the original question. First if you read the very first part of my answer you would see that LEAXPRO has not been examines in controlled studies for effects on thinking, judgment or coordination. HOWEVER : Psychoactive Pharmacotherapy Some medications can cause significant and acute alterations in psychomotor, emotional, and mental activity at therapeutic doses. At higher doses, and for some patients, some of these medications can also cause euphoric reactions. Medications that are potentially psychoactive include opioids, stimulants, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, and other sedative-hypnotics. http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/lexapro_wcp.htm In a study in normal volunteers, LEXAPRO 10 mg/day did not impair psychomotor performance. The effect of LEXAPRO on psychomotor coordination, judgment, or thinking has not been systematically examined in controlled studies. Because psychoactive drugs may impair judgment, thinking, or motor skills, patients should be cautioned about operating hazardous machinery, including automobiles, until they are reasonably certain that LEXAPRO therapy does not affect their ability to engage in such activities. I don't believe that you are going to find a clinical study proving your theory - namely because even the company and all reporting sources say that "effect of LEXAPRO on psychomotor coordination, judgment, or thinking has not been systematically examined in controlled studies" But hey maybe someone else can assist you. Is there a doc in the house? |
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Re: Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! he
From: mewtwo-ga on 09 Feb 2005 17:48 PST |
I would consult with your doctor and try different medication(s) for your mood. Perhaps you would have less side effects with other med(s). Sometimes a similar medication in same classification (SSRI) can have completely different side effects on a person, so it might be worthwhile to discuss this option with your personal physician. You can also request some general lab work to make sure you do not have any other disorders that can affect memory-->thyroid, vitamin B12 deficiency, etc. Good luck. |
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Re: Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! he
From: mewtwo-ga on 09 Feb 2005 17:54 PST |
Oh, by the way, have you tried Strattera? I've met some people in their 40's and 50's that are on it for "adult-onset attention deficit disorder" and they swear their energy level, focus, and memory have improved. Unfortunately, they have graduated already, so I am not sure if the drug can actually help you obtain better grades. Too bad you can't drink coffee; it is the best legal drug there is, and cheap, too. |
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Re: Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! he
From: please_answer_my_q-ga on 09 Feb 2005 21:37 PST |
about the meds, I've tried other SSRI's and am unwilling to change my meds. There must be another solution. Regarding list of side-effects, sorry I didn't make it clear in my post, but fortunately I was able to find the side effects listed on the side of my medications. :) |
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Re: Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! he
From: anotherbrian-ga on 10 Feb 2005 03:08 PST |
You mentioned that your social life improved with the medication. Prehaps you where able to devote more time to studying before you started the medication as there was less compitation from your social life? Just a thought. |
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Re: Off meds, GPA was 3.9. On meds, it is a 2.5 and I do not understand why! help
From: sanyika-ga on 21 Feb 2005 01:35 PST |
My findings also agree with lrulrick-ga in that there lacks published, controlled studies on the effect of Lexapro on psychomotor function, judgement or thinking. I would ask that when it comes to FDA approved medications that you at least consider the importance of controlled studies in relation to your question and concern regarding your declining grades. Most medications have gone through a rigorous trial, that can take as long as 11 years, before availed to the American public. These study give both validity and reliability to the medication. Nevertheless, it is possible for a drug to have side effects that were not found in the original studies. This is one reason why scientists utilize confidence limits (ranges) in their controlled studies. If you really think that the medications could be the source of your problem, then you have the difficult task of ruling out other causes, i.e.: fatique, anxiety, diet, sleep hygiene, level of difficulty in achieving through the institutional pedagogy, etc. One must also consider: 1) the effects of polypharmacy, 2)the effect of several drug(s) on the body, pharmacokinetics, and 3)the body effects on the drug(s), pharmacodynamics. This task of ruling out is a very important aspect in medical science. It is how I would proceed, as a medical doctor, in addressing your problem. However, you can start this process yourself. You should keep careful documentation in the scientific inquiry of yourself, your "chief complaint," and the "history of your present problem." Then disucss your results with your doctor and a clinical pharmacist, specializing in psychotropic medications. I hope this helps. |
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