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Subject:
Mortality Statistics for Widowers (men over 60)
Category: Health > Seniors Asked by: foosh-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
10 Feb 2005 11:08 PST
Expires: 12 Mar 2005 11:08 PST Question ID: 472422 |
1. What are the mortality statistics for widowed men over 60? A) What are the variables? In other words, what's the mortality rate if a widower remarries or has a companion vs. if they do not? What is he is active in a group, community, hobbies or some sort of job? B) Will the grieving process be different because of the prolonged illness? Will he ever be able to get "back to normal"? Here's the facts of the specific situation: -He's a white male, 63 years old, his wife (62 years old) has had cancer for 2 years and despite treatment is not expected to live another year, they have been married for 45 years. -habits: He doesn't smoke, but does drink (it's suspected that he may drink too much, but we're not sure if he's an alcoholic), eats a decent diet, he's fairly active and walks daily, he's not overweight, overall physical health is good. He?s retired, does not work or volunteer anywhere. -family medical history: mother and father had no known diseases, mother lived into her 80s passed away due to complications resulting from smoking for many years, father passed away at age 75 - cause unknown, probably a heart attack. -mental state: Is not good and has not been good throughout his wife's illness, it almost seems to flip flop from high to low. He initially told her he would commit suicide when she was gone, but has not mentioned it since and she's convinced him to take up a hobby, which he has. -Their marriage: Their marriage has been stable, his wife did all of the cooking and housekeeping, he will not do either. -His Family/Friends: He has one child who lives more than 2 hours away, they've never had a close relationship, but the adult child will help take care of him and is concerned. He has a few friends - but the frequency of contact and visits isn't known. |
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Re: Mortality Statistics for Widowers (men over 60)
From: scubajim-ga on 10 Feb 2005 16:24 PST |
Your best bet would be to contact an actuary. You could look at the standard mortality tables (eg 1980 CSO or more recent). That will give you the year by year mortality of a large population using the average mortality of that large population. You say that he has cancer and is not expected to live a year. This estimate probably has a large variance (he could live another 3 weeks or 4 years). Given that he drinks and is depressed and has cancer probably doesn't bode well for his mortality. You could try to get him insured and that would give you an answer or sorts. If you tried to buy life insurance on him the insurance company would probably decline to issue due to his health. That would be a strong indication that he has a short life expectency. (That is out of a large group of people with his situation very few would live long enough to pay adaquately "reasonable" premiums to even break even. Or there are so few people in his class of risk that they cannot issue insurance because then it isn't insurance but gamboling. Insurance is the spreading of risk; if there are not very many people to spread the risk over then it isn't insurance.) If they rate the life insurance highly (charge a lot vs other's his age) then that gives you some more information about his life expectency. (not terrible, but not good) But life expectency is "tricky" conceptually because it applies to a large population and does not apply to specific individuals. For example, if you took a million people with the same age and health situation as me, and the same avocations you might see helf of them live to 68. That doesn't mean I would live to 68; it means half the people would live to 68. Also when they underwrite you for life insurance they use select and ultimate tables. That is since they look at you when they issue the insurance (DMV, medical, avocation etc.) they have a pretty good idea of your health and risk factors. Every year from then on they assume you get worse with health and risk factors. Thus the select mortality wears off until you reach ultimate mortality. (the mortality in the table unless you have cancer etc. Then that rating may stay with you in addition to the wearing off of the select mortality.) Think of it as a photograph that fades as time goes on. A year after it is taken it still looks pretty much like you, but 10 years down the road it may not. What do you need the number for? |
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Re: Mortality Statistics for Widowers (men over 60)
From: frde-ga on 11 Feb 2005 06:13 PST |
My understanding is this: Your father is 63 years old Your mother is 62 years old. - She has had cancer for two years, and is not expected to last another year He is not interested in cooking and housework He comes from reasonably long lived parents He is apparently healthy and does not smoke - although you suspect he hits the bottle on the sly. You want to know what will happen after she dies. From limited observation, males watching their wives dying slowly of cancer, do not enjoy the experience at all - in the end it is almost a relief - seeing someone you care for deeply, deteriorating is unpleasant. Someone who knows a lot about these things once told me that after about two years the elderly bereaved perk up. I knew one guy who sounds pretty similar, his wife died when he was 65 after a similar nightmare, he developed extraordinary cooking talents (by that I mean the food was distinctly unusual but pretty healthy and palatable) and lived until he was 84. I am unsure of the exact status of a female friend (late 30's) of his to whom he had left an unofficial bequest that I honoured - but I would not be surprized ... Another guy about 67 when his wife finally expired, joined up with a very lively lady a few years older than him after about a year. Both being pretty well off they spend their time galivanting between their various holiday homes in Europe - with the odd cycling holiday in France or walking holidays in Spain/Austria/Italy ... to fill in the gaps. Not being sure about your father's general location, affluence, gregariousness and circle of friends, I would guestimate that there is a 10% chance that a 45-50 year old bimbo will move in on him, a 20% chance that a widow closer his age will slip in there, a 30% chance that after moping he will sell up and buy a more convenient place. |
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Re: Mortality Statistics for Widowers (men over 60)
From: saabster-ga on 19 Feb 2005 09:39 PST |
He probably needs to establish a relationship with men who have been in similar circumstances. Is he computer literate? If not, is that something that he might be interested in---Recently visiting the AARP website for a friend who is a senior, but not computer literate, I have found a vast reservoir of information and opportunities for seniors. I wouldn't be surprised if AARP has some data on widowers. This organization which advocates on behalf of seniors knows that health is a critical factor for seniors and probably has huge bank of information on many of the issues you raise in your question. They also have a feisty, smart online community who share information on all of the issues that face people growing older, I would suspect much information on how to survive losing a partner. You mentioned a new hobby, but not what it is. Clearly creating new friendships were people have something in common is important. It is also probably important to find activities that get him out of the house in the evening when he would probably miss her most. AARP has state chapters and they usually have state websites too--which would allow him to create friendships with people within his state and possibly his town. I mention computers, because often people who might feel too sadden or shy to join a club or group, might feel more relaxed getting to know people online at AARP. It is also a great tool for the children of seniors, because it provides practical responses to all the issues which arise for kids with elderly parents. good luck |
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