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"Ancient Printing of 's' and 'f'' before and afterr vowels
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: walt575-ga List Price: $3.00 |
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12 Feb 2005 22:07 PST
Expires: 14 Mar 2005 22:07 PST Question ID: 473637 |
What is the origin of the fact that, in ancient English texts, the "S" is printed as an "F" if the "S" occurs before or after a vowel? My young grand-daughter is asking me to explain this and I can find no explanation in my books or the net! Please assist if you can. J.Walters MD 33069 Florida |
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Re: "Ancient Printing of 's' and 'f'' before and afterr vowels
Answered By: joey-ga on 12 Feb 2005 23:21 PST |
The comment is correct in noting that it's, in fact, not an "f", but a variant on "s": "?". These were actually still in use much more recently than "ancient" English times. Until the middle of the 19th century (middle 1800s), most Ss in language were written as "?", the so-called "long S". The only Ss that look like today's were usually at the end of words. This is the so-called "short s", "final s", or "terminal s". Much as we have a distinction between capital and lowercase letters, until that time, there was a distinction in Ss between those at the end of a word from those not at the end. The short S could also be used if immediately following a long S (as in "a?sociation"). For more information on this, check the Wikipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s] Jack Lynch has put together a list of oft-confused words when modern scholars scan in older texts containing the long S: [http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jlynch/long-s.html] --Joey Searching strategy: "long s" -longs "long s" "final s" "long s" wikipedia |
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Re: "Ancient Printing of 's' and 'f'' before and afterr vowels
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 12 Feb 2005 22:53 PST |
It's not an f. It's an elongated s. You should see a difference if you compare it closely with a known f. |
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Re: "Ancient Printing of 's' and 'f'' before and afterr vowels
From: wmhunt-ga on 13 Mar 2005 07:39 PST |
I have wondered about this myself, as I occasionally work with "ancient" English texts. This website explains when you can and cannot use the long s. http://www.orbitals.com/self/ligature/ligature.htm However, I have yet to find a reasonable explanation why this practice was once in fashion. |
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Re: "Ancient Printing of 's' and 'f'' before and afterr vowels
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 13 Mar 2005 12:03 PST |
wmhunt, I am not acquainted with the history of the practice, but I have always related it to the practice of using a similar long s in the middle of a word (but never at the end) in Fraktur, the old German blackface type. It makes me think of rules about using the German double-s called "ess-tset"--the one that looks a bit like a loose capital B--in some positions and not others. Greek, too, has two forms of the lowercase sigma, one that looks like a long, stretched out rubber s--only for the ends of words--and another that looks like a lowercase o with a little flourish on it, used internally. A historian of alphabets and typography could probably tell us more, and someone as knowledgeable in languages as Scriptor-ga might actually have an explanation. But that would probably take a new question because this one has already been answered by another researcher. Archae0pteryx |
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