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Subject: federal regs re use of control groups in experiments with human subjects
Category: Science > Social Sciences
Asked by: scriven-ga
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Posted: 14 Feb 2005 09:18 PST
Expires: 16 Mar 2005 09:18 PST
Question ID: 474362
Within the last few years, but not as recently as 2004, someone--pby
the attorney general at the time, set out a list of regulations
governing the use of control groups which wouild receive no treatment,
by contrast with the experimental groups which would receive the
treatment under investigation. I have seen these regs, but can't now
find them or the ref to them, and need both. The relevant parts only
run about a page, and have several points, one of which is roughly
that one cannot use a zero treatment control group if the treatment
under study is probably beneficial. Contact me at
michael.scriven@wmich.edu

Request for Question Clarification by markj-ga on 14 Feb 2005 14:15 PST
scriven --


I think that I have found the regulations you are looking for.  However, 
it is possible that more than one governmental proceeding has adopted
language that is relevant to the general subject of your question.

Under the circumstances, I will post the relevant portion of the
regulations I have found and rely on you to respond to this "Request
for Question Clarification" by telling me whether this regulation is
what you remember.  If it is, I will post the information (along with
a full citation) as an official "Answer," since that is the only way I
can claim the fee for the research.  If it is not, I would be happy to
continue the search.

Here is the regulatory language:

"When a new treatment is tested for a condition for which no effective
treatment is known, there is usually no ethical problem with a study
comparing the new treatment to placebo. Use of a placebo control may
raise problems of ethics, acceptability, and feasibility, however,
when an effective treatment is available for the condition under study
in a proposed trial. In cases where
an available treatment is known to prevent serious harm, such as death
or irreversible morbidity in the study population, it is generally
inappropriate to use a placebo control. There are occasional
exceptions, however, such as cases in which standard therapy has
toxicity so severe that many patients have refused to receive it.

"In other situations, when there is no serious harm, it is generally
considered ethical to ask patients to participate in a
placebo-controlled trial, even if they may experience discomfort as a
result, provided the setting is noncoercive and patients are fully
informed about available therapies and the consequences of delaying
treatment. Such trials, however, even if ethical, may pose important
practical problems. For example, deferred treatment of pain or other
symptoms may be unacceptable to patients or physicians and they may
not want to participate in a trial that requires this. Whether a
particular placebo controlled trial of a new agent will be acceptable
to subjects and investigators when there is known effective therapy is
a matter of investigator, patient, and institutional review board
(IRB)/ independent ethics committee (IEC) judgment, and acceptability
may differ among ICH regions. Acceptability could depend on the
specific design of the trial and the patient population chosen, as
will be discussed below (see section 2.1.5).


"Whether a particular placebo-controlled trial is ethical may in some
cases depend on what is believed to have been clinically demonstrated
under the particular circumstances of the trial. For example, a short
term placebo-controlled trial of a new antihypertensive agent in
patients with
mild essential hypertension and no end-organ disease might be
considered generally acceptable, while a longer trial, or one that
included sicker patients, probably would not be.

"It should be emphasized that use of a placebo or no-treatment control
does not imply that the patient does not get any treatment at all. For
example, in an oncology trial, when no active drug is approved,
patients in both the placebo or no-treatment group and the test drug
group will receive needed palliative treatment, such as analgesics,
and best supportive care. Many placebo-controlled trials are conducted
as add-on trials, where all patients receive a specified standard
therapy or therapy left to the choice of the treating physician or
institution."



Is this the language you remember seeing? I look forward to your response.


markj-ga

Clarification of Question by scriven-ga on 15 Feb 2005 10:04 PST
What you've found is on the same topic, but is purely on the
medical/drug application area, and looks like advice from a professor
rather than a government rep. The one I saw uses language that applies
to all social science and education experiments as well as medical
(does not use language like 'placebo'). Hope you have better luck 
next time; I appreciate the effort so far!

Michael Scriven (in DC for the next two days, back Thu night will
check my email then)

Request for Question Clarification by markj-ga on 15 Feb 2005 11:45 PST
Michael --

The problem I have encountered with your question is your recollection
that the regulation you remember says that a "zero-treatment control
group" cannot be used "if the treatment under study is probably
beneficial."

I have found such a requirement (or something like it) in agency
regulations only with respect to control groups containing people who
have not or cannot give their "informed consent" to participating in a
study with such a control group.  Minors and dementia sufferers are
two examples of such people.  Special safeguards (but not
prohibitions) sometimes also apply to control groups consisting of
prisoners.

Clearly, a broad ban on such control groups (where volunteers do not
receive a "probably beneficial" treatment) would make valid research
difficult, if not impossible, in a lot of areas.

Federal government regulation of experimental research has, since
1991, been based on something called the "Common Rule" which has been
adopted by many agencies and departments and is found at this link:

http://history.nih.gov/laws/html/10CFR745.htm

Additional provisions involving prisoners and minors (et al.) that I
noted above have been adopted by some departments (DOD and DOJ, for
example), but I haven't found any that involve the broad prohibition
on "zero-treatment control groups" that you recollect.

Under the circumstances, I am unlocking the question so that others
can have a crack at it, and any further clues about the document you
remember would be appreciated.

markj-ga

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 15 Feb 2005 12:46 PST
Michael,

Quite possibly you are thinking of the Helsinki Declaration, which
assures human subjects treatment with "the best proven diagnostic and
therapeutic method".


You can read the full language here:


http://www.nwctognetwork.org.uk/Declaration%20of%20Helsinki.htm

Declaration of Helsinki

The World Medical Association Declaration of Helsinki was first
written in 1964...and is regularly updated, most recently in Edinburgh
2000.

-----

II. Medical research combined with medical care (Clinical research)


In any medical study, every patient - including those of a control
group, if any - should be assured of the best proven diagnostic and
therapeutic method.

-----



Let me know if this seems like what you were looking for.

Thanks,

pafalafa-ga
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Comments  
Subject: Re: federal regs re use of control groups in experiments with human subjects
From: markj-ga on 15 Feb 2005 10:13 PST
 
Michael -

Thanks for the clarification.  I will look further.  FYI, the language
I provided is from an FDA document entitled "Guidance for Industry:  E
10 Choice of Control Group and Related Issues in Clinical Trials,"
published May 2001.

markj-ga
Subject: Re: federal regs re use of control groups in experiments with human subjects
From: scriven-ga on 18 Feb 2005 10:54 PST
 
The Common Rule is  certainly relevant, but the regs I've seen are
tougher than the common rule and clearly an obstruction to much
ethically defensible and important research. But you're done a great
job, and I'm releasing the funds, if only I can find how to do that!
(If you know how, please let me know.)

The Helsinki Declaration is also clearly relevant, but not the US regs
that I'm looking for; but they do make the same mistake of
overzealousness in the protection of the control group, who should
have the option, if capable of taking it, to renounce their rights to
best treatment in return for something of value to them or science.

Thanks to you both; I'm not canceling the question, just in case it
rings a bell with someone else.

Good hunting!

Michael Scriven
Director, IDPT, WMU

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