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radio antenna grounding
Category: Science Asked by: particlem-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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14 Feb 2005 20:47 PST
Expires: 16 Mar 2005 20:47 PST Question ID: 474710 |
How does a handheld walkie talkie transmit without a ground connection? In radio antennas, a ground is usually required |
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Re: radio antenna grounding
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 15 Feb 2005 10:08 PST Rated: |
Design of antenna depends on the frequency band. Handheld amd modern devices use high freguencies http://www.cellular.co.za/gsm-frequencies.htm and so, have short wavelength. Longer wavelength require bigger antenna and grounding or distance to ground becomes more important. example http://deepspace.jpl.nasa.gov/dsn/antennas/70m.html theory http://cfcp.uchicago.edu/education/explorers/2002summer-YERKES/pdfs-sum02/background.pdf This is a technical explanation of how Earth acts as mirror, doubling the size of antenna dipole. For microwave devices this is not needed, as requred dipole is short. Hedgie http://www.bencher.com/pdfs/00361ZZV.pdf | |
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Re: radio antenna grounding
From: tviren-ga on 15 Feb 2005 16:06 PST |
AS I recall from my days at the fire department the term you are refering to is a ground plan. The larger the ground plan the shorter the antenna is required to be. Also as hedgie-ga stated the higher the frequency the shorter the antenna is required to be. We had some low band radios in use in one division 46 megihertz. This required the entire vehicle to act as the ground plan and the antennas were aways attached to the center of a large metel surface. The same radios used on vessels made of wood required different antennas with built in ground plans. This was acheived by making the antennas longer by spiro wraping the antenna up a mask making it longer than had it just went straight up. A short answer; The higher the frequency the shorter the antenna. 46 megahertz = about a four foot antenna with a ground plan. Without, the antena need about a 15 ft antenna. Most modern radios are VHF or UHF 800 megahertz to upto 2.3 gegahertz. requiring minamul antenna even without a ground plan. |
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Re: radio antenna grounding
From: guzzi-ga on 15 Feb 2005 18:31 PST |
The simplest form of aerial is a horizontal dipole (half wave being the most amenable) -- this does not employ a groundplane. If however one elects to design vertically using only one arm of the dipole, a groundplane (or counterpoise) is required to emulate the other arm. It?s not quite as simple as a straight replacement but that?s the principle. As you suggest, low-frequency transmitters don?t work too well on aircraft but that?s partly a function of the aerial length requirement. For anything above a few MHz, it?s not problem, bearing in mind that 30 MHz is only ten metres so a standard half-wave dipole is only 5 meters (discounting other parameters) and the single arm is only 2.5 meters. More of a problem is the polarisation because to receive in all directions, vertical polarisation is demanded. But you don?t actually have to use a quarter wave arm -- in fact shorter is better, suitably matched) because the radiation pattern is more appropriate for high flying aircraft. There are limits though how short you can go whilst still maintaining acceptable efficiency and design. Low(ish) frequency walkie talkies are not particularly efficient because the impedance matching is somewhat variable due to proximity effects of the body. The counterpoise in both these and mobile phones consists in main of the internal chassis and / or conductors. They won?t work without the ?groundplane? but the very nature of the circuitry automatically creates this. Mobile phones incorporate radial radiation helical antennae (to reduce the length) which can exacerbate the problem because they are intolerant of mis-match. Quite remarkable that the manufacturers are able to perform such good optimisation but the counterpoise area demands are ameliorated by the high frequency. Don?t worry if you still find aerials a bit of a mystery -- most engineers do too :-) Best |
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Re: radio antenna grounding
From: pisgahchemist-ga on 19 Feb 2005 06:18 PST |
Let me keep to the point. Handheld radios usually have a 1/4 wavelength antenna (which may be "loaded" with a coil of wire so that the antenna is an "electrical" 1/4 wavelength, even though it is physically shorter. A vertical 1/4 wave antenna will radiate more efficiently when it has a ground plane. The most efficient ground plane is a large number of additional 1/4 wave radials, but one radial will do. When a 1/4 wave radial is not available, any metallic surfice will do, like the top of your car. If no metallic surface is available, then any conductor will do, like salt water, or YOU! The bottom line: When using a handheld radio, you can become the rest of the antenna. You are inductively coupled to the radio's "ground" by holding the radio. And just because the frequencies are high, and wavelengths are short, doesn't mean that the physics of antennas went out the window. The same physics that applies to the 80M ham radio band where a 1/4 wave antenna is 60 ft. long applies to the aircraft band and microwaves. And by the way, antennas don't have to be grounded to work, and neither do the radios. 73's N4SM |
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