I know how to accomplish invisibility. I know the technology exists to
impliment my ideas. What I need is a list of governments and/or
companies that would be interested in buying my insights. New
technology would probaby springboard from my idea in the areas of
medicine and law inforcement. Who would be the best person or company
to take this to?

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Clarification of Question by paradox13-ga on 20 Feb 2005 10:33 PST

I know how to accomplish invisibility. I know the technology exists to
Implement my ideas. What I need is a list of governments and/or
companies that would be interested in buying my insights. New
technology would probably springboard from my idea in the areas of
medicine and law enforcement. Who would be the best person or company
to take this to?

When I say invisibility, I mean visually not by radar.

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Clarification of Question by paradox13-ga on 21 Feb 2005 07:33 PST

From the response that I have been getting better yet a list a
companies or whoever that would be interested in the idea without a
working model and would sign confidentiality and nondisclosure
agreement.

Unless you have a working model, your ideas are likely to be brushed
aside. There so many thousands of people who say they have discovered
the secrets to invisibility, perpetual motion, free energy, perfect
health, and similar things that such a claim is generally considered
to be either a hoax or the delusion of a crackpot. Please do not take
this personally. I'm just pointing out the facts. Talk is cheap, and
unsupported claims are plentiful; come up with a working model of an
invisibility device that can be evaluated by engineers and the press,
and the world will beat a path to your door.

I believe if you walked into the Pentagon, FBI, or CIA (I'd use the
Dolly Madison entrance), then appeared, I bet you'd become rich beyond
the dreams of avarice, either that or dissappear without a trace.

The government already knows how to make people disappear.

If I were you, I wouldn't try siliconsamurai's suggestion unless you
have also invented a force-field that repels handcuffs and bullets.
;-)

Do you have a Ph.D or are you a member of a consulting firm or
engineering firm? If you are not no governments and/or companies will
be willing to listen without proof.

Tell you what, Pink is right (GRIN). I was being a bit facetious,
although the Dolly Madison entrance is the best since you can simply
go to the waiting room which is almost a half mile from anything
sensitive. The guards are armed but won't shoot unless you try to pass
through the gates.

But if you show up in my office (invisible) I'll personally escort you
to The National Press Club and put you in front of a camera at a
morning newsmaker session.  All I want are the literary rights and a 6
month exclusive on all interviews.

Try Bellevue Medical Center in N.Y.  They are very interested in
people who've made such discoveries.

I do not have a working model I cannot afford it. Nor do I believe I
need a working model do to the concept behind it is really simple. All
I would need to do is talk to an engineer or who ever about this and
his/her mind would avalanche on how to develop many different working
models. I thought about getting it patented but I believe the ideal
would just be stolen.

Susumu Tachi, a professor at the University of Tokyo, has created an
optical camouflage system that makes anyone wearing a special
reflective material seem to disappear.
  
Website - http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/oc.html
  
  
Richard Schowengerdt, a military researcher in Lakewood, California,
holds a patent for "Cloaking Using Electro-Optical Camouflage." His
Project Chameleo is developing ways to cloak entire buildings to both
the naked eye and radar.
  
Website - http://www.chameleo.net/default.htm

You are right to skip the patent, the PTO won't even accept
applications for invisibility, perpetual motion, and a couple other
things which modern physics has essentially proven impossible because
it would require an entire rewriting of Maxwell's equations to permit
light to pass through metal, wood, skin, bone, in fact anything which
doesn't already transmit electromagnetic radiation in the visible
spectrum.

One basic problem with making a human invisible is that it would also
make them completely blind since the retina wouldn't absorb any
signal.

There's also the Philadelphia Experiment, and the fact that the
stealth bomber, stealth fighter and stealth boats are already
invisible, only to radar, not visible light.

People are completely invisible to neutrinos, as are smaller planets.

Magicians make things "invisible" all the time.

Perhaps if you explain what you mean by "invisibility" we would take
you more seriously even without knowing your exact method.

I mean visually invisible to the eyes and not radar. Also it?s not
using magician?s tricks like mirrors.

Siliconsamurai Maxwell?s equation is not germane to the issue.

I do not need proof, all I need to do is explain the ideal and the
listener will see that it will work.

If you honestly believe that an engineer or a manufacturer, on hearing
of your idea, will immediately see its value and want to pay you for
it, then why don't you find some people whom you think would fit that
category, ask them to sign a confidential non-disclosure agreement,
and then tell them your idea. You'll know in a flash whether you're
right or not, and they'll be prevented from either stealing or
communicating your idea. Here's a place where you can download a free
sample of such an agreement: http://my.execpc.com/~mhallign/form1.html

Also, you can apply for a "provisional patent" without having a
completed product or working model in hand. This process also protects
your idea, although you then need to file for the final patent within
12 months (WITH a working model) or forfeit the protection granted. 
See more about provisional patents, here:
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/provapp.htm

Good luck,
Byrd-ga (Google Answers Researcher)

I agree with the other commenters -- if you don't have a working
model, it will be hard. If your idea ends up working but you widely
disclose it during making of the prototype -- you may lose the
authorship, and someone will start using it bypassing your rights. If
you do have a prototype, hire the most expensive patent attorney, and
they will make you so much money. If you cannot afford even an initial
patent consultation, you can try legal clinic of some law school (for
example, DePaul University College of Law, TIP Clinic) -- they usually
can't patent it for you, but they will do some preliminary research
and you'll understand what's involved in protecting your rights and
give appropriate referrals.

suggest you not begin your presentation to an engineer by saying the
basic laws of physics governing electromagentism are irrelevant.

In case you haven't figured it out, you have been discussing this with
at least one physicist and possibly an engineer and we've heard
nothing that makes any sense.

You might want to look over some of the results here to see if you are
barking up the wrong tree:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=invisibility&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search

The basic laws of physics governing electromagnetism is irrelevant to
my process your way of thinking about it is all wrong.

I thank you all for your comments and help I see that I will need a
working model to go any further.

The laws of physics are one thing but the laws of mechanics is another.

I can make a working model with basic technology that I know exist. It
would show that it would work and the possibilities with better
technology that I do not know exist or that could be made.

My concern is if I apply for a patent with the working model using
basic existing technology that I know of, that someone will use
advanced better technology that I do not know of to make what I have
in mind and reap the benefits.

Can this happen?

Is it unlawful if it were to happen?

Why don't you explain it to me and I will build it for you :-)

Just curious by what you mean by "laws of mechanics" other than
Newtonian Mechanics, Relativistic Mechanics, and Quantum Mechanics?

I happen to be both a physicist and a wrench-turning mechanic and I
just can't make head or tail of most of your comments.

Lets just say it?s more like a gadget that is put on like Susumu
Tachi?s optical camouflage system. Just a very different way about
doing it. His suit looks like there need to be light in front or
behind him before it will work. My process could care less about light
for it to work.

And, once again, I will repeat my earlier offer in a comment that if
you come to my office and demonstrate this I will help.

I will extend that offer to saying that if you come to my office and
provide any credible theory I will help and only require all literary
rights as stated in my earlier comment. I will sign an NDA based on
that.

If you don't accept this then you shouldn't be surprised that no one
here is taking you seriously.

You've invented black paint haven't you?
Black paint make you invisible to visible light the same way that
stealth planes are invisible to radar.
The problem is both are vulnerable to passive detection.  That is a
source of light/radar behind the target can reveal it's presence to
someone on the other side by the absence of light/radar.

But seriously though.  The only known way to achieve what most people
call invisibility is by bending light around you which is really hard
to do if not impossible and retain a full range of viewing.  It's
doubtful that a system complex enough to do this is going to come to
some in a sort of 'eureka' moment.

Now hold on folks - kid says he has an idea for invisibility; let's
not all bash him.

After all, there are plenty of laws and formulas and the like that we
have not yet discovered.  There are likewise plenty of exceptions to
the laws of physics that we keep discovering every day.

Don't believe me?  Newton's laws have exceptions, namely when studying
things like electrons and other subatomic particles.  Hence why
quantum physics needs to be used in those cases.  There are other
examples, but I won't go into them here.

If 200 years ago, somebody came on Google Answers and said they had an
idea for a horseless carriage (commonly referred to as the car), we'd
all scoff at him and laugh and say that the first law of
thermodynamics say that you need energy to move.  You can't get energy
from nowhere, we'd all say.  The Patent Office will laugh at you, we'd
snidely remark.  And we'd all argue over it for hours on end.

The next week, somebody else would come and say they had an idea for
an oil-less torch.  Again, we'd laugh!  Ha!  You need to combust oil
to have it provide light, we'd claim.  You can't get light energy from
nothing, you fool!  Of course, had we allowed the guy to just explain
the idea of a tungsten coil which theoretically glows from an
electrical potential applied across the two ends, maybe, just maybe
we'd all have seen the very simple idea of a light bulb.

So you see, despite how far science has come, it is entirely possible,
and quite frankly likely that there are countless other new inventions
out there which are waiting to be created.  Invisibility may just be
one of them.

On the flip side, pinkfreud is right.  There are all too many people
out there who say they have discovered cold fusion, perpetual motion,
what have you, and they typically fall into three categories.  1) the
delusional crackpot 2) the weasly "trying to make a fortune by selling
lots on the moon" guy, and 3) somebody who does not have a sound
enough grasp on physics.  While I firmly believe you do not fit into
the first two categories, I cannot know if you fall into the third
without first knowing your idea.

Of course, you won't freely tell anybody your idea, because it would
comprimise your potential invention.

The best course of action for you is to build a working model.  Now, I
understand said model is rather complex.  I would expect it to be, and
it is probably difficult to build this in your garage, especially if
you're talking about micro-electronics and the like.

The next best thing to do is perhaps discuss your idea with a
professor of engineering/physics at your local university.  Ask they
sign a non-disclosure agreement.  Most professors will be willing to
meet with you for at least 5-10 minutes if you call/email first and
make an appointment.  Probably best to look for a professor in physics
or electrical engineering.

Finally, if your idea is akin to what was used in the most recent Bond
movie with Halle and the ice hotel, where a number of cameras on the
back side of your invisibility suit detect the image/landscape behind
the suit and transmits the signal to the front side of the suit where
a group of very small, very high resolution lcd-like panels display
the image, then you're definitely on to something.  Such system would
make the suitwearer invisible to cameras and the human eye, but not to
radar.  Only problem is that 1) it was used in a Bond Movie, so it is
very hard to substantiate it was your idea, and 2) the US military is
already experimenting with similar devices.

So, IF THAT is your idea, then good job, keep thinking about similar
things, but unfortunately, you are too late.

I would put this in the same bucket as creationism trying to debunk evolution!

im getting very curious now...what is your idea?

If you post it on GA you hav documented evidence that it was your idea
as of your post (similar to people mailing an idea to themselves to
have sealed postmarked evidence).  If the idea seems like it works,
youve already taken your 1st step and im sure the GA community will
quickly point you to patent offices, publishers and engineers.  If
someone decides to rip you off GA could then show you how to sue them.

If your idea has any kinks or, for a reason unknown to you, is
impossible I'm sure we would also be able to show you the flaw in the
reasoning.

Unfortunately, the odds are against you.  I, also, have had a few
breakthrough ideas (a few along the same lines as this) and I'm glad I
was able to talk it over with professors and friends before I went
through the trouble of trying to patent something that didnt work in
the first place.

Although what im saying is about 90% influenced by curiosity, I am
confident that if the idea is sound posting it here would be safe. 
Its documented evidence of your idea and you would get immediate
assistance in patenting.  Anyone that manages to patent the idea
between when you disclosed it here and the time you attempt to would
be quite obviously ripping you off and I'm sure you could prove that
in court.

-Fractl

fractl - have you read the terms and conditions for anything posted here?

*sigh*
I just wanted to hear the idea... ;_;

fractal So do I and I'm a physicist but he/she can't post it here
without loosing a lot of rights to the idea.

Actually, between us, I believe that Pink and I answered this question
completely in the first two comments.

At the risk of stating the obvious, don't capture-and-retransmit
cloaking systems suffer from the basic design flaw that, even if they
could reproduce an image on a nonplanar surface with no distortion,
they would only work from one point of view?  Who's to say which
points are geometrically "behind" others without an observing point of
reference?

Porn is what drove the internet streaming video technology and
bandwidth revolution....can you imagine how much some disreputable
firm would pay to get a system where people pay them to become
invisible and venture into the ladies.....

There's your receptive market ;-)

Paradox13-ga has disappeared!

Is this proof positive?

Or just a paradox?