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Subject:
Online poker losses - can company write them off?
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: justwondering123-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
18 Feb 2005 13:56 PST
Expires: 22 Feb 2005 15:33 PST Question ID: 476779 |
All kidding aside, is there is anyway to write off some or all of online poker loses. While we understand tax laws state an individual can only write off losses to the extent of gambling profits made in the same year, the funds used where from an LLC and for business purposes, here's the background ... We created a general purpose LLC company and used some of the funds to startup a financial investments subsidary to manage high risk investments portfolios. A portion these was used to see if playing online poker could be a viable investment opportunity. There was extensive research conducted along with actual play to test various strategies. One of the results of this effort will be a book on the subject. All of these activities were or will be conducted as business ventures under our LLC. The research and application phases of these efforts are now complete. Is there anyway to structure a tax write-off for the money spent researching and playing online poker as a possible investment strategy and the upcoming book to be written on the subject. Thx. in advance. P.S. While we've only offered $20 for the answer, if the answer is one that the IRS will allow, we will provide the maximum bonus allowed to bring final payment to $200. |
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Re: Online poker losses - can company write them off?
From: just4fun2-ga on 18 Feb 2005 14:57 PST |
Why are there any losses if your online poker playing worked? You did say that a book was going to be written which implies that you have a winning approach, doesn't it? Why buy the book if the reader can't win? |
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Re: Online poker losses - can company write them off?
From: dancingbear-ga on 18 Feb 2005 16:13 PST |
I don't have time to check with my accountant- but I will eventually since I find the question intriguing. What i did do was got on to the IRS.gov site and called the Tax Advocacy line 1-800-829-4933. After several auto responses i spoke to a live operator who sent me to the "Special Case" unit where i will leave your questions with them and they will return my call to answer the question between now and up to 5 days. I will keep you posted on what they say. My gut feel as an answer to your question is more a matter of getting an agressive CPA to work with your company. As an entrepreneur myself- I have seen that many of the IRS rules are breakable or at least bendable- even under the scrutiny of an audit- as long as you know what to say in the audit- and you are willing to have a deduction diallowed if you lose the argument with them. |
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Re: Online poker losses - can company write them off?
From: justwondering123-ga on 19 Feb 2005 09:44 PST |
Thx. dancingbear for you intest and willingness to help research this question! We'll be very interested in what you find out. Just4fun2, without going into great detail, what we found was applying sound money management principles tailored to this type of activity, when applied in conjuction to sound playing strategies, combined with researching/rating players prior to actual play generates consistent profits. While we are in the black for funds invested in 2005, we took loses in 2004 to come to this final strategy now being applied. Hope that answers your questions. |
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Re: Online poker losses - can company write them off?
From: dancingbear-ga on 22 Feb 2005 11:19 PST |
Well just wondering- here is your answer- and for once- I beleive it is very definitive. Accoding to the IRS tax advocate I just spoke with - You can only deduct your losses against your winnings-period. The tax code to refer to is section 165 (pertaining to losses) subsection D (pertaining to gambling losses). When I explained your scenario he said it doesn't matter what sturcture existed behind nor the reason for the losses- you can only deduct them against your winnings in that tax year. He said the courts have been very clear about this- and that there has been a lot of activity on this topic in the past couple of years- the courts always refer to "165-D" - even if you are trying to claim your losses a part of a legitimate business expense. So - there you have it. If this answer is satisfactory for you- since i am not an official google researcher- Maybe you could donate your $20 to a gamblers anonymous group- or your local animal shelter ;-) Let me know if you want to know anything else. Thanks and good luck- The Dancing Bear |
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Re: Online poker losses - can company write them off?
From: justwondering123-ga on 22 Feb 2005 15:33 PST |
Thx, Dancing Bear. Your answer corresponds to what we've found out as well. Glad to donate the $20. Our wifes support children's funds so that where it will go. Take care and thanks again for looking into this. JustWondering |
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