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Judaism as ethnicity
Category: Relationships and Society > Cultures Asked by: yuvalniv-ga List Price: $3.00 |
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22 Feb 2005 12:01 PST
Expires: 24 Mar 2005 12:01 PST Question ID: 478861 |
Can Judaism be treated as ethnicity? The problem: a friend of mine from USA told me that a friend of his is half Russian and half Jewish. Is this possible? Can somebody be half Russian and half Catholic, for example? I know that Judaism is based on whether your mother is Jewish, which may point that it's right to look at Judaism as ethnicity. However, it's also an option (not an easy one, but still..) to convert. |
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Re: Judaism as ethnicity
Answered By: politicalguru-ga on 22 Feb 2005 12:59 PST Rated: |
Dear Yuval Niv, Basically and originally, Judaism is a religion. Therefore, as you said yourself, either a person is Jewish or not, one cannot be "half Jewish" (though one could have Jewish ancestry and convert to another religion). The problem, however, is that in today's world, ethnicity is not simply "membership in a particular racial, national, or cultural group and observance of that group's customs, beliefs, and language." (The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition Edited by E.D. Hirsch, Jr., Joseph F. Kett, and James Trefil. Copyright ? 2002 by Houghton Mifflin Company.). Ethnicity is also a matter of identity: - If someone identifies himself/herself as Jewish; - If someone identifies others as "Jewish". In the case of the Jews, the construction of a separate identity was first and foremost influenced by the exclusion by the erst of the society and the identification of the Jew as the "Other". Antisemitism, the hatered against Jews, has been developed after societies have already undergone a process of secularisation: those who wanted to exclude the Jews still claimed that there is something "different" about the Jews - they have a different ethnicity. Surprisingly or not, many Jews also believed that the most important feature as a Jew is the identification as one, constructing a national movement based on the principle that the "Otherness" of the Jews is a national one, and that they deserve a homeland, just like any other nation. In that aspect, the Jews are a very special case: their identity is based, first and foremost on religion, but some of them claim to have also distinctive ethnic and national identity; on the other hand, antisemites have also identified Jews as an "Other", deserving discrimination, persecution, and hate. That means, that at least some non-Jews have come to view "Jewishness" not only as a religion, but also as an ethnicity: either because they were conviced by the Jewish claim of difference, or by the antisemite one. In the United States, the answer for your question is even more complex. The term "ethnic" in the United States allotes to many things, usually to some cultural ancestry or connection. This could apply to that "half Jew/Russian" guy. Here's a little more to read: Judaism: Race, Religion, or Ethnicity? <http://www.beingjewish.com/identity/race.html> "Every so often I get this question. Usually, I am asked simply whether Judaism is an ethnicity or a race. [...] What I cannot understand is: who cares?" Ethnicity Online - Jews <http://www.ethnicityonline.net/judaism.htm> "Jews consider themselves a nation rather than a religious community; they are a hugely diverse group that shares some aspects of religious observance and have shared historical roots. They have a great sense of community ? indeed, the Jewish nation is more like an extended family with its close connections and shared sense of discipline." Soc.Culture.Jewish Newsgroups <http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/13-10.html> "If Judaism an ethnicity? In short, not any more. Although Judaism arose out of a single ethnicity in the Middle East, there have always been conversions into and out of the religion. Thus, there are those who may have been ethnically part of the original group who are no longer part of Judaism, and those of other ethnic groups who have converted into Judaism." I hope this answers your question. If you need any clarifications on this answer, please let me know before you rate it. You might be also interested in the following answer : Opinions <http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=475734> | |
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Re: Judaism as ethnicity
From: rogerwilco-ga on 23 Feb 2005 08:00 PST |
Very nice answer, Politicalguru! It's no easy question, and your answer is good and thorough. Just a few things to add to it... 1) Really, the most accurate term to describe to 'what Judaism is' is the Hebrew 'am, usually translated as 'people' or 'nation' -- so in the Old Testament (and in Jewish religious-talk to this day), the Jews are called 'Am Yisroel, meaning the nation Israel, the people [of] Israel, or something like that. The closest Hebrew term there is to 'religion' is probably 'dat,' which is more literally translated as 'law,' though it's a somewhat larger concept. So 'the Jewish religion' could be thought of as 'the laws of the people/nation Israel.' More or less. This is all contensted, of course. Certainly, it's entirely possible to *join* the nation of Israel (by conversion, etc.) and so, though it might have been once the case that there was a single ethnic identity for Jews, it hasn't been the case for centuries and centuries. (The last comment Poliitcalguru quotes puts this well.) Just as immigrants to America are 'real' Americans, converts into the Jewish nation are 'real' Jews. If you think of ethnicity as some kind of blood purity, it has nothing to do with the notion of 'Am Yisroel. 2) As to your friend, though: During the Soviet era, the government of the USSR indicated the offical 'nationality' of each of its citizens on official records and documents (like passports). Whereas some passports said 'Russian' or 'Ukrainian' or 'Latvian' or the like, the passports of Jews said 'Jewish.' The Soviet government was officially atheistic and didn't have much patience for religion, but it recognized the Jews as a distinct national/ethnic/cultural/etc. group. I have a number of friends who emigrated from the USSR once the borders opened under Perestroika, and I've seen these passports. Traditionally, Russian Jews weren't particularly religiously observant, but they still saw themselves as a distinct ethnic group, not the least because of the persecution they suffered from the various pogroms and other antisemetic incidents that populate Russian history. (I'm not sure if this labeling is a practice the post-Soviet Russian government continues.) So the idea of a 'half Russian, half Jewish' person actually makes a lot of sense to me -- one parent was Russian, and one was Jewish. In that sense, yes, Judaism can be *treated* as an ethnicity, certainly. Whether or not it *is* one is a harder question, as Politicalguru pointed out. There are plenty of websites available on this: you might want to take a look at http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/index.html for a good online exhibition about the history and politics of Russian Jewry. Hope this is helpful, Roger |
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Re: Judaism as ethnicity
From: mr_me-ga on 16 Mar 2005 10:36 PST |
I am a Rabbi and I thought I should weigh in on this one. The real question comes down to how do you define Judaism. Is it a culture (ie a social construct) or is it something integral. Classically Judaism has viewed the Jewish soul as special. We were chosen by G-d and that creates a special relationship. That relationship is the foundation of the soul. This does not deny the great need for the non-Jewish world. There are different relationships with G-d. Those that are chosen for a special job, and others who were not. This does not mean that there isn't another job for them, but they have not been chosen as the one to have that relationship. Classical Judaism has always claimed that you must either join the "family" of Jews (via convertion) or you must de-facto be a member of the family (IE your mother was). I hope I have been helpful. MR_ME |
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Re: Judaism as ethnicity
From: indexturret-ga on 22 Mar 2005 09:44 PST |
The answer and the comments already given are very good. I would like to add just a bit. In present-day American society, there is indeed much uncertainty about whether ethnicity is properly part of Jewish identity (i.e., "Judaism is a religion, anyone can choose to join it; therefore why do people often treat it as an ethnicity?"). But the answer to that question lies in the history. In many times and places during the last 10 or 20 centuries, it was viewed as BOTH simultaneously, and this question would have seemed ridiculous emically (i.e., through the eyes of those cultures), because being Jewish defined both your religion AND ethnicity, and intermarriage was anathema and rare. Segregation over so many centuries enforced the idea of marry-only-within-your-ethnicity to the point that the ethnic distinction became self-fulfilling. The ?blood relation? is evidenced by the fact that in the present-day epidemiology of diseases, certain inherited disorders have higher incidence among Ashkenazic Jews than among the larger population. Now, the relation of emic "us-vs.-them" segregation to etic genetic inheritance is an ugly can of worms that is scientifically useless and indeed is found useful only by sophist bigots. Nevertheless, we all must understand that Jewish ethnicity has been, and still very much is, an emic "reality." Today there are plenty of Jews around the world who identify themselves ethnically as Jewish but do not subscribe to the Jewish religion at all. So I just wanted to point out that we all must understand that there are many people in the world who would not understand the question, because in their minds, Jewish ethnicity is very "real." That said, I wish we humans would all just intermarry from now on and forget about it all! |
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