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Subject:
Permission to use the American flag in the UK
Category: Business and Money > Advertising and Marketing Asked by: fiscalfrog-ga List Price: $3.00 |
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22 Feb 2005 13:42 PST
Expires: 24 Mar 2005 13:42 PST Question ID: 478909 |
Do you need permission to use the American flag on a shop sign in the UK? - If so how do you go about it? | |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: siliconsamurai-ga on 22 Feb 2005 13:51 PST |
the short answer is that you can do almost anything with it, although my might anger some tourists if you do something nasty to it. |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: mwalcoff-ga on 23 Feb 2005 00:20 PST |
The U.S. Flag Code technically prohibits the use of the flag in advertising. However, the code does not specify any penalties for breaking the law, and companies use the flag in advertising all the time. Anyway, the law wouldn't apply overseas. |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: siliconsamurai-ga on 23 Feb 2005 06:12 PST |
I might point out that displaying Old Glory upside down is a distress signal. I mention that because I can't tell when the Union Jack is upside down so it probably doesn't apply and you might not realize the tradition. There are lots of rules about displaying the flag in this country, such as not flying it after dark unless you spotlight it, and changing it when it becomes tattered, but even here most people ignore it. |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: nelson-ga on 23 Feb 2005 12:16 PST |
No permission needed from any U.S. entity. Check U.K. law, though, about display of foreign flags. |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: owain-ga on 23 Feb 2005 14:37 PST |
America's flag authority is the National Flag Foundation. They don't have a web site, but there is a proprietary 'Flash' presentation online at http://www.americanflags.org/html/index.flash.html The flag etiquette section of that site says: ?The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.?(U.S Code, Title 4, Chapter1, Section 8(i)) The U.S. Code as it relates to the flag is advisory only and has no penalities attached to it at this time. You might require planning permission for the flag, as it may be treated under planning law as an exterior advertisement. Note (my emphasis): Under the Town and Country Planning Act 1990, flags come with the definition of "advertisement". Their display is controlled by the Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) Regulations 1992. However, under Schedule 2 of the Regulations, the national flag of any country, and this includes the Union flag, is exempt from advertisement control PROVIDED each flag is flown from a single vertical flagstaff and neither the flag nor the flagstaff display any advertisement additional to the design of the flag. http://www.culture.gov.uk/flagflying/faqs.htm#planning You might also be subject to trades descriptions law, if showing the US flag or its image could be interpreted as a description of the goods or services you provide (eg near me there is an 'All American' steakhouse. I doubt very much that they use American beef -- it would be illegal in this country as our rules on hormones are stricter). Owain |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: siliconsamurai-ga on 25 Feb 2005 05:12 PST |
Owain, your comments only apply to the use in the U.S. and, even if they had the force of law here (the supreme court says they don't), they have absolutely zero relevance to this client. The only laws he needs to look at are those of the U.K. The only customs he needs to pay attention to are those which would annoy his customers and that depends a lot on who his customers are. |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: myoarin-ga on 27 Feb 2005 08:01 PST |
For Siliconsamurai's elucidation: On the Union Jack, the red diagonal stripes on the white diagonal ones are offset (don't know why). Correctly flown, these red stripes at the fly (the loose end of the flag) are in the upper section of the white stripes. But don't worry, any time you see a photo of people waving flags for the Queen, you can see ones that are upside down. As you no doubt know, the Union Jack is the cross of St. George (England) overlaid on the cross of St. Andrew, and the red diagonals were added for Northern Ireland, not with much heraldic basis, I believe. I keep hoping N. Ireland will join the Republic of Ireland one day and wonder if the British will then remove the red diagonals. |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: siliconsamurai-ga on 28 Feb 2005 07:41 PST |
myorain, you're right, as a proud member of the Clan McLain who has dogs named both Claymore and Arborath Defender, I know quite a bit about the Union Jack, but, unlike the stars and stripes you can't tell at a glance if it is upside down so I never saw that used as a distress signal. (GRIN) |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: myoarin-ga on 28 Feb 2005 10:17 PST |
Thanks. The Brits never anticipated having to use their national flag as a distress signal, and I doubt they ever have. Nail your flag to the mast and go down with colours flying. - an interesting question for you, but I won't ask it. My godmother came from the Shetlands, so I have a special affection for Scotland and the Scots - despite her clarifications that the Shetlanders are really Vikings, maybe with respect for my Norwegian mother, who preferred Scotch to my father's choice of Bourbon, and got a bottle for her 90th birthday from him. And now my sisters may discover who Myoarin is ... |
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Re: Permission to use the American flag in the UK
From: siliconsamurai-ga on 28 Feb 2005 10:25 PST |
Well, I don't quiet see how I can give a "definitive" answer since there is absolutely no US Code or even precedents in U.S. law which can possibly apply to you in a foreign country, but I certainly don't want to bill you for something you don't feel is a complete answer so I will leave it for another researcher to reply. |
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