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Subject: Statistics & Probability Problem
Category: Science > Math
Asked by: ohorongo-ga
List Price: $50.00
Posted: 24 Feb 2005 01:26 PST
Expires: 26 Mar 2005 01:26 PST
Question ID: 479875
What is the effective average payout ratio of this slot machine:

1. Before beginning to play a deposit of $5,- or $10,- needs to be
made into a personal gaming account.
2. The wager per game is $0,25 or $0,5
3. The average winning ratio is 97% 
4. A cash out is only possible with a personal account balance >$25,-

(the sample size is >10 000)

Clarification of Question by ohorongo-ga on 24 Feb 2005 05:47 PST
The percentage of users depositing $5,- is 80% and consequently the
percentage of users depositing $10,- is 20%.

Clarification of Question by ohorongo-ga on 24 Feb 2005 05:49 PST
The share of $0,25 wagers and $0,5 wagers is equal.

Clarification of Question by ohorongo-ga on 24 Feb 2005 05:57 PST
If possible I would like to recieve a formula or mini spread sheet as
an answer in order to understand the method used to solve this
problem.
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Subject: Re: Statistics & Probability Problem
From: reinedd-ga on 24 Feb 2005 05:14 PST
 
the probability to win is so small that the chance to go to $25 is
almost 0 then the average is 0
Subject: Re: Statistics & Probability Problem
From: stan4444-ga on 28 Feb 2005 00:57 PST
 
This problem is much easier to deal with if the presentation is
simplified.  Let $.25 be one unit.  Then wagers can be 1 unit or 2
units.  A deposit of 20 units or 40 units is made initially, 80%
depositing 20 units and 20 % depositing 40 units. A player stops when
his account reaches 0 units (bust) or 100 units (cash out).  If we let
p(n) denote the probability of cashing out when you have n units in
your account, then the answer to the problem is .8*p(20) + .2*P(40). 
The problem is that we can't simply solve for p(20) and p(40), because
the different p(n)'s are so deviously interrelated. We can only solve
for one of the p(n) if we solve for all of them.
Again, for simplicity of presentation, let u = .97 and v = .03, and
probability of a win on each wager (if I understand the problem
correctly).
We get a recursion formula
 p(n) = (u/2)*p(n+2) + (u/2)*p(n+1) + (v/2)*p(n-1) + (v/2)*p(n-2)
We know p(100) = p(101) = 1, and the account will never get more than 101.
Also p(0) = p(-1) = 0, because the game ends when you bust.
From the recursion formula we get p(99) = u + (v/2)*p(98) + (v/2)*p(97).
Also p(98) = u/2 + (u/2)*p(99) + (v/2)*p(97) + (v/2)*p(96). Substitute
the known formula for p(99) into this last equation, and we get a
formula of the form
p(98) = c + a*p(97) + b*p(96), where a, b, and c are constants in terms of u and v.
In general, we can get a second recursion formula of the form 
p(n) = c + a*p(n-1) + b*p(n-2) for n = 99, 98, 97, ..., 1.  If you
continue this process for several steps, then you may be able to
conjecture a pattern (and prove it). Then you can write down the
formula for p(1) without having to write down all 99 of the second
recursion formulas.
Once we have the second recursion formula for p(1), we can find its
value because p(0) and p(-1) are known (= 0). Then p(1) and p(0) are
known, so we can again use our second recursion formula to get the
value of p(2). Continue this process, and you can calculate p(n) for
any n up to 99. To answer your specific question, you can stop at
p(40).
I'll work out an answer next weekend if nobody else does it before then.
Subject: Re: Statistics & Probability Problem
From: stan4444-ga on 28 Feb 2005 01:07 PST
 
The comment above actually shows how to calculate the probability of
someone cashing out, not the average payout. But from p(n), you can
easily get the average payout.
Subject: Re: Statistics & Probability Problem
From: ohorongo-ga on 01 Mar 2005 08:27 PST
 
Hi Stan444! It would be great if you could solve the riddle for me all
the way. Actually I beg you to, because I cannot. Thank you so much.

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