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Spiritual healing, Satan, Sin, and diease.
Category: Health > Conditions and Diseases Asked by: saul-ga List Price: $5.50 |
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01 Aug 2002 10:52 PDT
Expires: 06 Aug 2002 12:32 PDT Question ID: 48101 |
I live in California, but the Henry Wright who is teaching that 80% of all dieases are caused by the devil or spiritual roots and can be healed by God. My spouse and I go to 2 different church's. I a Methodist, Her , will she likes to church hop now that she has received her healing from this teaching in GA. We live in Southern California. And obvisouly are on different spiritual plains now. For some reason his teaching does not sit right with me in my mind, soul, or heart. I feel he is overstepping the boundries of sound Christian Doctrine as found in the Scriptures, KJV or otherwise. Why is that? Am I missing something, or is Pleasant valley Church a cult? |
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Re: Spiritual healing, Satan, Sin, and diease.
Answered By: mvguy-ga on 01 Aug 2002 15:33 PDT |
Dear Saul, First of all, my sympathies. Although I am fortunate enough to be married to someone whose views on religion are very similar to mine, I have known people who are in situations similar to yours, so I know it's difficult and (to put it mildly) emotionally challenging. I can't directly answer your question of whether the Pleasant Valley Church is a cult, because "cult" is such a loaded term, and people use the term in different ways. In one sense, a "cult" is merely a religion, and in other senses it is a tight-knit type of group that would lead people to commit mass suicide. You can find a good discussion of how the word "cult" is used on this page: Wikipedia: Cult http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Cult If you're using "cult" as a group that is likely to lead a person to commit mass suicide or do something equally strange, the answer appears to be no. I did several searches to find Pleasant Valley Church and affiliated ministries on any list of dangerous organizations, and I was unsuccessful. On the other hand, if you're using "cult" to mean that the church is ostensibly Christian but has teachings that are far outside the Christian mainstream, I'd have to say yes. I personally wouldn't use the term "cult," but it's safe to say that the group, while existing within the framework of Christianity, has teachings that would not be shared by most churches. This is why I believe it "oversteps the boundaries" of Christian doctrine for you. Below I will list a number of the beliefs of the Pleasant Valley Church and its Life Application Ministries as are indicated on their Web site, showing how they differ with what would be taught in most Christian churches in the United States. (In fairness, many other beliefs, including an emphasis on the Bible and personal salvation through Christ, are shared with many other churches.) REASON FOR DISEASE LAM: "Every dis-ease, every problem begins with being separated from God. Yes, that is the bottom line." Most Christian churches: Most Christian churches that accept the doctrine of original sin, and even many who don't, would agree that disease exists in the world because of the Fall, so in a sense diseases does exist because of sin. But they would NOT agree that an individual person's disease is due to the person being separated from God. We can get diseased even if when we are in fellowship with God. Just as Jesus pointed out that the rain falls on both the just and the unjust, so both the righteous and unrighteous get sick. REASON FOR HEALING LAM: "It isn't until we develop and understand the love of God in our lives that real healing will begin." Most Christian churches: People are sometimes healed even when they don't believe in God. (Seems pretty obvious, doesn't it?) WHY WE ARE SICK LAM: "The manifestations of our illnesses are a direct result of the relationship we have with God our Father." Most Christian churches: Most churches would teach that the reason we are sick is because we have germs, or because a part of the body is not functioning. A person's relationship with God may affect how he or she reacts to the disease, but the person can be sick even with a good relationship with God. And while most Christian churches believe in prayer and the possibility of divine intervention in the healing process, they would acknowledge that even many "bad" people aren't sick, and that some people who sincerely pray and ask for healing don't receive it. NATURE OF FEAR LAM: "Did you know that FEAR is a sin? Well, if you were anything like I was, I didnt know either. Not until I began gaining knowledge from the pages of the Bible and through the inspired teaching of truth by Pastor Wright. The Bible is a spiritual book and can only be understood in the spirit that dwells within us. So when I finally accepted the fact that fear was a sin, then and only then, was I able to begin my freedom journey. The next insight taught me that fear is an evil spirit." Most Christian churches: Most churches would take the position that fear itself is neither good nor bad, and very, very few would teach that fear is an evil spirit. Fear can be a healthy thing (and, in fact, in the KJV we are told to "fear God"), or it can be extremely unhealthy. But while many churches would say that some fear is a consequence of sin, extremely few would say that fear is a sin itself (although what we do as a result of fear might be sinful). All these statements of the Pleasant Valley Church's belief are from the following page: Life Application Ministries: Introduction and Foundation http://www.mindsync.com/lam/intro.htm The bottom line: This church has teachings that are unlike those of many Christian churches. And in my personal view (and I suspect yours), these views can be dangerous, because they tell people, in effect, that if you are sick it's because you're not doing what you should spiritually. This can lead to all sorts of guilt, despondency, depression and a host of psychological problems. Can you imagine what it would be like to be told time and time again that if you have fear it's because you aren't good enough of a Christian? Or if you're sick it's because you let yourself become separated from God? At best, such teachings must put a lot of pressure on people to deny their feelings and even their illnesses. In fact, in my opinion, such teachings could by symptomatic of a pattern of spiritual abuse. I think you might find some of the following links interesting. Although the writers come from a variety of theological perspectives (and my inclusion of them here doesn't mean I'm endorsing all they contain), the writers agree on what some of the danger signs are. The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3658/subtle.html On-Line Resources About Spiritual Abuse http://home.hiwaay.net/~icappleg/ Spiritual Abuse http://www.spiritualabuse.org/ Survivors of Spiritual Abuse http://www.sosa.org/ Dysfunctional Churches http://www.csj.org/rg/rgessays/rgessay_dysfunchurch.htm Fifteen Characteristics of Dysfunctional Churches http://ministryhealth.net/mh_articles/095_fifteen_char_dysfunctional_church.html I don't know if your wife's church fits the above pattern, because I wasn't able to find out that much about how the church operates. But its teachings certainly could lead to some of the characteristics described in the above articles. Google search terms used: "pleasant valley church" "henry wright" ://www.google.com/search?hl=es&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=%22pleasant+valley+church%22+%22henry+wright%22 "spiritual abuse" ://www.google.com/search?q=%22spiritual+abuse%22 dysfunctional churches ://www.google.com/search?hl=es&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&q=dysfunctional+churches I hope you have found this information useful. My sincere best wishes, mvguy |
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Re: Spiritual healing, Satan, Sin, and diease.
From: chromedome-ga on 01 Aug 2002 19:26 PDT |
Hi, Saul. I've been following your questions with interest throughout the day, and I'm deeply sympathetic to your position. Keeping a marriage successful in the long term is a matter of consistent effort at the best of times, and situations like this certainly do not help. I'm not going to get into doctrinal whys and wherefores, here, but I will offer up a few words. God chose to arm us for this world with minds, rather than fangs or claws or armour. Modern medicine, while it undoubtedly has some ethical issues to sort out, is one of the nobler results of our tireless ingenuity. Just as we've applied our minds to feeding, clothing, and transporting ourselves more capably, so have we learned to heal ourselves more capably. There is little doubt in the medical community today that, while diseases have definite organic causes, our state of mind contributes to their success. In other words, we sometimes open the door to our own illness. A med school prof would refer to this as "psychosomatic" illness. In many (but by no means all) cases, the mental disturbance that creates this might fairly be described as the "consciousness of sin", or to the secularly minded, "guilt". However, when anyone in a position of spiritual authority teaches that it is wrong to seek medical attention, and that diseases should be treated *solely* at the spiritual level, that individual has exceeded the bounds both of common sense and common doctrine. If you will forgive me for saying so, Saul, I can't help feeling that the whole issue of whether your wife's church is or is not orthodox is secondary. I'd be inclined to say that the real point at the heart of your distress is the distance that has arisen between you and your wife. Frankly, marshalling a number of arguments this way may make you feel better, but it is not likely to solve the deeper problem. If your marriage has been, as you said, "torn to pieces", you will not retrieve it by persuading your wife logically that Henry Wright's doctrines are out of court. You mention that she received healing through this ministry. Is that not going to be a more powerful argument than the opinions of strangers, however well argued and substantiated? I'm not saying this to discourage you, by any means, just to make you aware of the challenge you face. Unfortunately, one of the most fundamental bedrock doctrines of Christianity is that we are all flawed beings. You may call this "original sin", as a believer, or "human nature" as a non-believer, but it's as empirically verifiable as anything I know. And God works His ends through us or in spite of us, whatever our flaws. It may be that Mr. Wright has a perfectly legitimate healing gift, but has allowed it to colour his perceptions. You've heard the expression that, "to a small boy with a hammer, everything looks like it needs a pounding"? Similarly, to a man with a gift for spiritual healing, everything may look like a spiritual problem. So, what's really at work here? You mention in your question that you are a Methodist, and that your wife has been church-hopping there in California. Now, church-hopping can have roots in some odd places. Sometimes, people change churches frequently because they are aware of something within themselves that they do not want others to see. Consequently, they move around often enough that no-one will get to know them, no-one will see what they're "really like". Sometimes, people are going through some sort of spiritual crisis. Because they don't really know what's going on in within themselves, they bounce from church to church in search of understanding and self-perception. Sometimes it's just from an indefinable emptiness, a sense that there is something missing from one's spiritual life. I am in no position to know whether any of these suggestions apply to your wife. She may just be looking for a place where she likes the music, for that matter. But I suspect she's looking for a congregation that's got more of a charismatic flavour to it, more of a "Holy Spirit" orientation. Many people, particularly those of more mainstream denominations, are put off by the boisterous worship style of charismatic congregations. If you've spent your life in a denomination that stresses quiet reverence, it's a serious shock to think of "doing church" that way. There are precedents, though. The Methodist Church, in fact, began life in a very charismatic, almost "Pentecostal" form. The point is, there is likely a need in her that is not being met at the moment. One way or another, in my (admittedly layperson's) experience, that's what church-hopping comes down to. Whether the disruption in your marriage you'd referred to is a cause or a result of your spiritual differences is, again, secondary. Saul, if you were not searching for a way to regain a working relationship, you wouldn't have come to us today. Unfortunately, we are not trained counsellors. At least, I don't think any of my colleagues are, and I know for certain that I'm not. The best recommendation I can offer you is to seek counselling, ideally as a couple. If relations between you have deteriorated to the point that your wife will not agree to this, go anyway, for your own benefit. Any major centre will have many Christian and non-Christian counsellors with excellent track records. Your own pastor should be able to put you in touch with several. Seeing a counsellor is like hiring a professional for any other job. It's a recognition that a given repair is beyond your personal abilities. I'm sure you have no problem with the idea of taking your car to a mechanic when it's broken, and feel no shame in confessing that you're out of your depth. A working relationship between a husband and wife is infinitely more complex than a car, and you should feel no different about seeking a professional's help. Like many of my colleagues, I'll be holding you up in prayer. -Chromedome |
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