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Legal Research question: History of a "Terry" pat-down
Category: Relationships and Society > Law Asked by: tucsonchilango-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
05 Mar 2005 07:54 PST
Expires: 04 Apr 2005 08:54 PDT Question ID: 485140 |
This is a very specific question. I am looking for information pertaining to what was essentially a "Terry frisk" at common law, either in England, or in colonial United States. What I am specifically looking for is, has there ever been a requirement that the police, upon stopping someone (not arresting, but merely stopping so as to conduct a limited, brief inquiry into suspected criminal activity), have to tell the suspect words to the effect of, "You are not being arrested, but you are not free to leave either." The issue is that in the U.S. currently, the police do not have to say this. Therefore, when an officer starts asking a suspect questions, the suspect doesn't know whehter he is engaging in a "consensual encounter" or whether he is being "Terry stopped." I'm trying to figure out whether there is any historical basis for requiring the cop to tell the suspect what's up. If you can just point me to the stuff, that's all I'm looking for. The bid price is low because I don't need you to write me a treatise on the subject...just point me in the right direction if you can find any data. (and of course, tell me what search you used!) thanks. |
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Re: Legal Research question: History of a "Terry" pat-down
From: gozzy11-ga on 06 Mar 2005 08:05 PST |
It's not found in CL, its a US supreme court case Terry vs. Ohio look up the case on the web |
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Re: Legal Research question: History of a "Terry" pat-down
From: tucsonchilango-ga on 06 Mar 2005 13:29 PST |
That's not my question, I am completely familiar with the case, I am inquiring as to whether the equivalent of a Terry stop at c/l included a verbal warning as i described above |
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Re: Legal Research question: History of a "Terry" pat-down
From: theother420-ga on 07 Mar 2005 03:56 PST |
Your question is a good question and is probably argued in the courts more than any other law. The Supreme Court has made several, several, several rulings regarding custody, detention, interrogation, etc... Your question is very complex and has numerous factors involved. A yes or no answer can not be given with out first written a 10,000 page essay. However I believe what you are asking is at what time does the "consensual encounter" question and answers becomes a full blown interview that is admissible in a court of law. I think you would be more suited with looking at is the Miranda Rights. The Supreme Court has ruled on terry stop, integration, field interviews, phone interviews, custodial interviews, non custodial interviews, traffic stops, utterances, etc.. and they all go back to the Miranda Warning. When should it apply and at what time should it apply, does the person feel he can leave when being asked questions or is he lawfully detained or under arrest. Now with Miranda in mind ill try and answer the rest of the question. Does the officer have to tell you that you are under arrest? Yes if you are arrested he is obligated to tell you that you are and what for. Does the officer have to tell you that you are being detained? Yes Such as a traffic stop or a Terry Stop. Does the officer have to tell you ?what?s up?? NO he is only obligated to tell you that you are being detained for speeding, a possible burglary, a robbery suspect etc. He does not have to tell you the particulars of the investigation. If you are arrested for the crime your attorney will file a motion of discovery to get the report. The link below has some good information. I would also recommend that you do a google search for Detention and Custody and find the definitions of each. The definition is the most important thing to consider when questions are being asked. http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/mirandarights/a/mirandaqa.htm |
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Re: Legal Research question: History of a "Terry" pat-down
From: gozzy11-ga on 08 Mar 2005 04:58 PST |
if you have already read the case, then the comments or other cases cited by the justices will give a clue toward its base, but as I said before their is no c/l on this type of subject, c/l can be found in contract/property law even this is being replaced by more and more state statutes addressing modern problems with c/l relating to these matters. In the case of a crminal code and a terry stop is so far remove from old english common law where the c/l comes from I would highly doubt any relationship between todays criminal law, development of the usa consitution, and a terry stop, more likely within the justices opinions in terry v. ohio you will find the substance, but to ask if terry case from 1968 and a crminal constitution issue has some relation to old english common law from 1800's is far off, in c/l days all that matter was if you where rich or poor if rich then laws could be bended but as to if a police officer had to give you a warning before they did anything to you in 1800 in england please they had absolute freedom on the beat if you where not rich, they could do anything even keep you in jail for days on end without telling you why. |
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