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Subject:
Computer Security
Category: Computers > Security Asked by: kay13-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
05 Mar 2005 17:46 PST
Expires: 04 Apr 2005 18:46 PDT Question ID: 485390 |
I have a Mac. I am not a power user, as if you couldn't tell. I have three Macs, the newest being an iMac G4. No matter how I try, I cannot keep from getting hacked. not that anyone but my husband wants any information in it. My husband uses a foreign language to get in. A man named Dr. Mac, work title only, was hired by him to "fix and update" my computers. He got my encrypted password and since then, no matter what, my husband ends up with the sign on password no matter what I put in. Don't laugh at me, just help me. okay? K. |
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Subject:
Re: Computer Security
From: nelson-ga on 05 Mar 2005 20:46 PST |
Sound to me like you need to stop whatever behavior you are trying to hide. Could lead to divorce. |
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Re: Computer Security
From: grthumongous-ga on 05 Mar 2005 23:02 PST |
K13, it is a serious matter. Did you say that even when you change your logon password your husband (or others) gets your encrypted password? In the Windows world spyware is rampant. One nasty type of spyware is called a Keylogger. A keylogger captures *every* keystroke allowing even passwords that display on-screen as "****" to be captured and replayed later. When you change the logon password or your online banking passwords the nasty keylogger captures it all. Keyloggers can be either software-based, or, less commonly, hardware-based. A hardware keylogger is simply situated between the keyboard and system unit ("the Computer"). Some can even be hidden inside the keyboard. Look for something resembling a thumb drive or a "jack" but with two female ends. Here are *some* links from Google and are certainly not an endorsement: http://keystroke-loggers.staticusers.net/hardware-keykatcher/ http://www.keyghost.com/ http://keystroke-loggers.staticusers.net/hardware.shtml ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hardware+keylogger |
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Re: Computer Security
From: kay13-ga on 06 Mar 2005 15:26 PST |
nelson-ga, you sound like you have a dirty mind. we all need privacy in some areas of our lives, even if it is girl talk on the computer. I haven't the time to sit in a restaurant and drink coffee while we gab. Sounds to me that if you are married, you are a control freek. My husband also records my phone conversations. I think you and he would get along just swimmingly. |
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Re: Computer Security
From: kay13-ga on 06 Mar 2005 15:32 PST |
grthumongous-ga, thank you for your kindness. I am really inexperienced when it comes to this sort of thing and I appreciate all help. He also follows me with the on-star program in the car and I have to change cell phone numbers everymonth. Does something sound worng here. I have been in this situation for so long I cannot stand back and see what is happening. I donnot believe I have windows on my computer. He uses Unix, Linux and Java a lot. I will check into your explanation. By the way, how do you use bluetooth? thanx. K. |
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Re: Computer Security
From: cynthia-ga on 06 Mar 2005 16:05 PST |
It's very unlikely he is using a hardware keylogger. Snce you stated you are not a power user, he would feel safe using a small program hidden on your computer's hard drive/s. I would reformat the computers hard drive to get rid of it. This is the final solution, it WILL work, as long as he doesn't have a hardware kelogger attached. Unfortunately, I don't know a single thing about Mac's. Hopefully some kind soul will come along and assist you. It would help if you clarified what kind of Mac Operating System you have installed. Also, locate the installation CD, you'll need it. I found some instructions for you, it sounds easy: The Essential MAC - Reformat Your Hard Drive http://www.essentialmac.com/fix/reformat.html ..."Once you have made a complete backup of the contents of your hard drive, the actual reformatting is easy. First, you need to boot your computer from something other than the hard drive that is to be reformatted. The System Installer CD-ROM would be a good choice. Next, launch the Apple HD SC Setup program and just click the "Initialize" button. Answer yes to all of the warnings, then wait 10-15 minutes for the formatting process (longer for larger hard drives).....Once the formatting is done, you should install the System software, then reload your applications and data from the backup..." Good luck. And by the way... Yes, there is something very wrong in your world. ~~Cynthia |
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Re: Computer Security
From: grthumongous-ga on 06 Mar 2005 22:58 PST |
K13, I empathize with you in your perilous environment. I hope you opened this question from another (safe) computer. Please allow me to clarify something I said about "In the Windows world spyware is rampant" and "Keyloggers can be either software-based, or, less commonly, hardware-based". Spyware that is software-based has to be designed especially for the operating system (OS) that you run. You run a Mac and not Windows. Such software for Macs does exist. I don't know anything about Mac internals or how prevalent/susceptible Macs are to spyware. I was just trying to assert that Windows computers are susceptible to software-based spyware. By that I mean someone can install a small hidden program that covertly captures a user's activity. The user activity is written to files that can be retrieved by the culprit either by physically accessing the machine or (worse) by remote retrieval (harvesting). Keyloggers are a subset of of the class of "spyware". They can record all the keys someone hits on a keyboard, even passwords. Any Spyware software or software key-logger that a Dr. M*c *may* have installed has the advantage for the culpirt of them not necessarily requiring physical access to your Mac again. They would just tap in and get the data sent through the internet directly to them. A hardware keylogger is something not many people know about but is all *too* simple to install. If installed its chief disadvantage is the culprit needs physical access to your Mac to harvert the data (by removing or swapping the keylogger). You can make a visual inspection for it. If the culprit or an accomplice do not have physical access after you change your password BUT still learn of the new password then a software approach as Cynthia mentions is more likely (Note: Cynthia is a real Researcher and I am a citizen.) If you are the owner of the Mac then it may be a criminal offence to install spyware on your computer without your consent. Since you are married then the "owner" may be BOTH you AND your spouse so he may be exempt. Here is a link that makes it a federal criminal offense but that MAY exempt your husband. http://www.techlawjournal.com/topstories/2004/20040623.asp The above link did eventually pass into law in some form in 2004 summer. And the following is an interim wording of the legislation. I am not sure of its final form. But it did pass federally. http://www.cdt.org/privacy/spyware/20050210ispy.pdf And here is a link from a recent Florida case where the 5th District Court of Appeal ruled against a spouse--said it was a felony. I'm caution you that this ruling *MAY* be a State Court (for Florida) interpreting Florida law rather than a Federal Appeals Court. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/custom/technology/orl-asecspyware26022605feb26,1,4888845.story?coll=orl-technology-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true And here is the whole ruling in the O'Brien matter in PDF format: http://www.5dca.org/Opinions/Opin2005/020705/5D03-3484.pdf And now, the important part: It is not normal for someone to continuously hover over a spouse and they usually get worse and worse. |
Subject:
Re: Computer Security
From: cynthia-ga on 07 Mar 2005 01:58 PST |
grthumongous, Thank you for the clarification. Could you please describe what a hardware keylogger looks like, where it would be installed/hidden? Can you link to a couple examples that I can look at to become more informed? I would appreciate it, and I suspect Kay would too... ~~Cynthia |
Subject:
Re: Computer Security
From: cynthia-ga on 07 Mar 2005 02:00 PST |
I forgot to ask... With a hardware keylogger, am I correct in assuming that a reformat would not rid the computer of the problem? Are they easy to remove? |
Subject:
Re: Computer Security
From: sucker5-ga on 07 Mar 2005 07:09 PST |
I feel bad for you but I have to give you some bad news. There is no way possible to stop this. Even if you find the source of the keylogger he will be one step ahead of you and detect that it is removed rather quickly. He will then probably come up with a new solution. There is no way to completely stop this as long as he has access to the physical computer. |
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Re: Computer Security
From: sucker5-ga on 07 Mar 2005 07:12 PST |
cynthia, Check out this site http://www.keyghost.com/ for an example of one of many possible hardware keylogging devices. This is almost impossible to find unless you know what you are looking for. |
Subject:
Re: Computer Security
From: politicalguru-ga on 07 Mar 2005 12:12 PST |
Dear Kay, I think that Sucker is right on the spot here. The problem is not one keylogger or spyware or another. It is a problem of domination and control. I really think that if someone taps your telephone calls, he (and maybe you as a couple) have some issues - perhaps ones that could be solved in family-therapy, not by computer experts. I hope I am not too blunt here, but I was really freaked by your comment that he also listens to your telephone calls. |
Subject:
Re: Computer Security
From: grthumongous-ga on 07 Mar 2005 16:47 PST |
aside to Cynthia-ga: -some of the previous links show images of *one* type of hardware disguised to look like a plug. Keyboard plugs into device which connects to computer. Think of it like a thumb drive/flash memory inside a plug. -being hardware, it is not affected by anything on, or erased from, the drive |
Subject:
Re: Computer Security
From: nelson-ga on 07 Mar 2005 17:19 PST |
Married? No. I'm gay. Sanctity of marriage means nothing to me. (Or to the guys with wedding rings I find at the XXX store.) |
Subject:
Re: Computer Security
From: kay13-ga on 07 Mar 2005 19:25 PST |
You know Nelson, that was a really "straight" answer. Pardon the pun. I have also found your statement to be mostly true. This husband of mine is a game player, especially on the computer. I took my computers out of the house to have the hard drives picked over by legal sources in San Francisco. It takes time and there doesn't seem to be much left. I have passed the rest of the answers and resources on to the right people and perhaps I will get out of this bad situation. I didn't really know how bad it was until I wrote it down. Enjoy your life Nelson. kay13-ga |
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