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Reduce 30yr moragege on home
Category: Family and Home > Home Asked by: jumpinjake-ga List Price: $3.00 |
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08 Mar 2005 21:13 PST
Expires: 07 Apr 2005 22:13 PDT Question ID: 487149 |
I have a 30 year loan on my house If i make a extra payment on my house every year will it pay it off faster?How much fater? If i make 2 payments extra each year what will that do?How much faster? |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: capitaineformidable-ga on 09 Mar 2005 01:39 PST |
I once worked in a company that had a mortgage repayment routine which could be accessed from a remote terminal. There were four variables; Capital sum; repayment period; Interest rate and monthly repayment. By typing in any of the three knowns, you could find the fourth. I knew all four variables as they applied to me at the time but what I did was to increase the monthly repayments from the minimum (100%), to 110%; 120%; 130%.....200%. I found that if you increased the monthly repayments to 133% it would cut the repayment period in half ie. from 25y to 12.5y. The greatest advantage was with the first 10% which brought the term (memory is not so good these days)to less than 20y on a 25y mortgage. Each additional 10% produced significant but reducing time periods until the 133% optimum. After this reductions of the loan period continued but became less significant. I concluded that if you can afford it, paying one third each month more for half the loan period will cut the total purhace cost in half. If you can afford more it is better to (1) get a bigger house, or (2)Pay the one third more off the existing house and put the extra into a high income investment which can be used to pay the remaining capital in one hit when it is great enough. Regards Norman |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: research_help-ga on 09 Mar 2005 06:19 PST |
To answer your question precisely, it would help if you provided details such as the interest rate, balance remaining, and number of years remaining. You say it is a 30 year mortgage, but you could be in year 1 of 30 or year 10 which would make a big difference. |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: synapse666b-ga on 09 Mar 2005 07:16 PST |
I am not a paid researcher here, but do have experience in your question area. The Micosoft Money utilities (probably came w/your PC) has a simple, easy to use side-by-side loan comparison calculators. There are many other free amortization tools out there. Your question has too many variables to be directly answered as it is. Try playing with the comparative calculator and see which of the options that you realistically have make the most difference over time without putting undue stress and expectations in your life. Best of luck to you = synapse666b |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 09 Mar 2005 10:36 PST |
If you're starting in year 1, then here's the scoop: At reasonable interest rates (5% - 10%), making an extra payment every year will cut about 1 year off your mortgage for every 1% interest on a 30 year loan. At 5% you will be paying for 25 years instead of 30. At 10% you'll be paying for 20 years instead of 30. Before doing this, please take into consideration that your home mortgage is about the best loan you'll ever have. Since it is backed by your house, the interest rate is relatively low. Also, all the interest you pay is tax deductible (assuming this is the house you live in). With these in mind, you can see that having a mortgage isn't a horrible thing. If instead of making that extra payment, you put the money into an IRA then you will see more benefits than you would by paying off your house quicker. All the money you put into the IRA is tax deductible. Also, the slightly more interest you'll be paying on your mortgage is tax deductible. In essence, the government is paying you to a) keep your mortgage b) invest for your retirement If you pay off your house rather than invest in an IRA then you lose out on both of these tax breaks and you'll be worse off financially. |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: capitaineformidable-ga on 09 Mar 2005 12:35 PST |
Not so Jack, It's financially better not to pay the interest than get a tax break on it. Norman |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 09 Mar 2005 13:12 PST |
Norman, I don't think you read my whole post... and if you did and didn't understand then please let me show you some math: Let's say you owe $100,000 @ 6% interest. The yearly interest on that (at the beginning of the loan) is $6,000. That means you pay $6,000 interest and get a $6,000 deduction (that's worth about $2,000 off on your taxes), so in essence you are only paying $4,000 to have the $100,000 borrowed. JumpinJake has some extra cash to either pay down his debt owed or invest in an IRA. Let's say he has $2,000 to use in either of these ways. Jake can a) pay his debt down to $98,000: his interest payment for the year would be $5,880. his tax deduction would then be worth about $1960 (instead of $2000) NET GAIN: $80 ($120 saved in interest payment minus $40 in extra taxes) b) put $2,000 into an IRA his interest payment will remain the same ($2000) he will receive a $2000 tax deduction for the IRA which will save him about $667 when he pays taxes (more likely when he gets a tax rebate) He will also gain any interest he earns in his IRA (if he plays it extremely safe and get government bonds then he will earn about 4% interest which is $80... getting more than 4% is quite likely, but so there is no question that this option is better, we will assume 4%) NET GAIN: $747 I don't know anyone who would take $80 over $747. Even if you have to liquidate your assets, the IRA will only charge a 10% penalty... which means the $747 would be reduced by 10% of the total amount which would be $208 (10% of $2000 + 10% of the $80 interest). That still leaves $539 ($747 - $208) which is still way better than $80 which you save by paying less interest. As you can see, no reasonable person with these facts would pay off their mortgage early when their IRA isn't maxed out for the year. As I said, the government gives incintives to invest for retirement and have a mortgage. Why not take advantage of the free money they want to give you? |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: cynthia-ga on 10 Mar 2005 00:55 PST |
You need to get an ammortization printout from your lender. When you do, cross off all payments you have made up to the next payment due. Notice the print out separates your payments into PRINCIPAL, INTEREST, and TOTAL (Total is your payment). When you send in "extra" money, send in the next applicable "PRINCIPAL" payment (or as much as you can afford, just add up "principal amounts," and cross them off) along with a regular mortgage payment, then cross off both lines. You will have saved the money from that single payment's "interest" and taken ONE payment off your loan. Any "principal only" payment you make takes one payment off the end of your loan. Lenders prefer it be done this way otherwise you are not paying in the increments set forth by the loan. Many loan payment booklets have a section for this called "additional principal payment." If you need more information about this, let me know and I'll find an online explanation and post it in the Answer Box. ~~Cynthia If you are in the early earrs of your loan, interest is WAAAAAY higher than the principal. As an example, if your total payment is $1,000, on a brand new 30 year loan, the principal portion is about $30.00 and interest is about $970.00. The early years are the best time to send in additional principal payments. Say you are ready to mail off a $1,000 payment in April. You can also send in March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October (8 PRINCIPAL payments) that will total approximately $30.00 X 8, and effectively skipped 8 months worth of INTEREST off the EARLY portion of your loan. You can pay down your loan this way and cut your interest considerably. ~~Cynthia |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: capitaineformidable-ga on 10 Mar 2005 14:13 PST |
Sorry BB, I did read all of your post but as you suspected, I didn?t understand it completely. It?s a cross culture thing. I guess everybody in America knows what an IRA is but (seriously) the only one I have ever heard of is the terrorist organisation. It?s like that film a few years back called ?Green Card?, to us Europeans, it?s a document issued by an insurance company that allows you to drive your car in a country other than the one in which it was originally insured. The logic of your answer makes sense; it?s a case of putting tax free earned money into a pension fund which accrues for maturity when you retire. I guess there is a limit to what you can put in which is what you referred to as ?maxing out?. Is this a fixed level for everybody or income dependant and does it matter if you are an employer or employed? As you have demonstrated this route gives the maximum benefits. Jumpinjake?s original question also makes sense at least to me. If you have, for instance enough money to clear your mortgage by half the term, then you, in theory can do it all over again with a much bigger place, assuming you wanted to otherwise you would be back on max. tax. I fed your figures of $100,000 @ 6% for 30 years into an annuity amortisation calculator at http://joemath.com/finance/ . Their monthly repayment came out to $599.55 so this is what I used as a basis. I then increased this by amounts of 10% to see what effect this had on the term and the total cost of the house. I have put this into a table below. Years saved are for each additional 10%; $ savings are total. % Monthly Yrs Years Saved Total Cost $ Savings 100 599.55 30.0 - 215838 - 110 659.51 23.71 6.29 187643 28195 120 719.46 19.83 3.88 171202 44636 130 779.42 17.14 2.69 160311 55527 140 839.37 15.13 2.01 152396 63442 150 899.33 13.56 1.57 146338 69500 160 959.28 12.31 1.25 141704 74134 170 1019.24 11.27 1.04 137842 77996 180 1079.19 10.40 0.80 134682 81156 190 1139.15 9.66 0.74 132050 83788 200 1199.10 9.01 0.65 129646 86192 The turning point between the graph decreasing vertically and decreasing horizontally occurs at about 133% of the original monthly sum at which the point the period to normal completion is half. As you say in your first post, this all depends on the increased payments being made from the beginning of the loan. However the same sort of logic will apply whenever increased payments are started. Your solution gives higher total savings; the above however is the answer to jumpinjake?s original question. Norman. |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 11 Mar 2005 06:21 PST |
Norman, You asked a bit about the IRA (not the terrorist organization). Sorry I wasn't clear before, I do make the horrible mistake of assuming everyone is American. It is in fact rather foolish of me. The government allows everyone in the US who has any income to put money into an IRA. The maximum amount allowed for almost everyone is $4,000 annually (but if your income is less than $4,000 then you're limited to invest only as much as your income for the year). The government then allows you to deduct that $4,000 from your income when filing your taxes (the tax rate in the US is somewhere around 30% depending on how you look at it and how much you earn). So in essence the government is funding 30% of your investment. For lower income earners (under $25,000 single or $50,000 married), the government also gives additional tax credits for putting money in an IRA. The IRA is simply a tax shelter for your money. The money can actually be invested in any of a wide variety of assets (stocks, bonds, mutual funds, index funds, government bonds... public or private). In addition to the tax deduction and possible credits, the money then grows tax differred until you withdraw it in retirement. Unfortunately not everyone in the US knows about the IRA and many fewer don't understand quite how beneficial it can be. So it turns out the the typical investors in the IRA are already rich and will have no problem saving for retirement with or without the IRA... and the poorer majority of the public continue to not save enough to live decently past the age of 70. |
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Re: Reduce 30yr moragege on home
From: cashman-ga on 15 Mar 2005 04:57 PST |
You should also take into account how long you plan to own your home and if there are prepayment penalties on your loan. Some mortgage lenders do not want to lose future revenue by you paying your loan of early so they tack on prepayment penalties. If you typically move every 5 years or less, you may be better off with a low rate interest only loan. You do not build up equity but most people who sell under 5 years get little equity from payments and mostly from appreciation in the cost of houses. You can find a great mortgage calculator and many FREE reports that will be useful to you at: www.flhomelender.com |
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