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Subject: geographical comparisons
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: nummie-ga
List Price: $100.00
Posted: 17 Mar 2005 06:22 PST
Expires: 29 Apr 2005 17:13 PDT
Question ID: 496062
Spouse and I have parted. We're trying to decide where our son will be best off.
He has grown up in Kent County DE up until age one. For the past year
we have been sharing time with him equally. He will start school soon,
and we do not think it is best to continue this back-and-forth for
him. He needs more stability and one environment will help provide
this for him. We need help deciding where he may do better. We both
love him but must do whats best for him now. These are some major
concerns:

Compare school systems in Delaware to the Winnebago, IL area.
Compare quality of life in Delaware to the Winnebago, IL area.
Compare health and crime in Delaware to the Winnebago, IL area.

Any thoughts/comments appreciated.

Bottom line (tough question):
Is it better for a child to grow up in Delaware or the Winnebago, IL?

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 18 Mar 2005 10:08 PST
nummie-ga,

I can't really answer your bottom-line question (and probably no one
can, as this is simply a decision you and your ex will have to make),
but I certainly provide a great deal of comparative information --
schools, etc -- between two locations.

HOWEVER, comparing a city -- Winnebago, IL -- to the entire state of
Delaware doesn't really make for an effective comparison.  It's pretty
apples and oranges.

If you can identify a city in Delaware, then I can try and compare it
with Winnebago and let you know what turns up.

Best of luck to all involved, especially your son...

pafalafa-ga

Clarification of Question by nummie-ga on 18 Mar 2005 10:51 PST
Okay. That makes sense that you can't compare a whole state and one
town! I didn't even do that intentionally. Let compare Winnebago, IL
with Dover, DE.
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Subject: Re: geographical comparisons
Answered By: pafalafa-ga on 18 Mar 2005 15:58 PST
Rated:3 out of 5 stars
 
nummie-ga,

Thanks for giving me the go-ahead to address your challenging question.

What it seems to come down to is this.  If you're looking for a
Leave-it-to-Beaver kind of a place, then Winnebago, IL it is.  If
you're more interested in exposing your son to bit of almost-urban
diversity, then stick with Dover.

It's hard to beat the numbers on Winnebago:  its population is more
well-off than Dover, unemployment is lower, and it's a safer community
overall.

However, as a parent of two young boys, I wouldn't want to live in
Winnebago myself, since I value so highly the experiences one can gain
from exposure to life in the big city (I live in Washington DC, FYI). 
It really does boil down to a judgment call.

A site called City-Data.com is a good reference source for comparing
data on different cities.  You can find it youself at:


http://www.city-data.com


The statistical profile on Dover, Delaware can be found here:
 


http://www.city-data.com/city/Dover-Delaware.html



You should spend some time looking over the information at the link
above, but here are some of the salient statistics:


------



Dover, Delaware

population 2002: 32,581 
Land area: 22.4 square miles


Median resident age: 32.9 years 
Median household income: $38,669 
Median house value: $111,300



Races in Dover:

White Non-Hispanic (53.3%) 
Black (37.2%) 
Hispanic (4.1%) 


Ancestries: 
German (13.2%)
Irish (10.6%)
English (9.3%)
Italian (5.7%)
United States (3.9%)
Subsaharan African (2.5%).


Education: (For population 25 years and over in Dover)

High school or higher: 83.3%
Bachelor's degree or higher: 28.8%
Graduate or professional degree: 11.3%
Unemployed: 7.5%


Single-family new house construction building permits

2003: 134 buildings, average cost: $79,900 


Industries providing employment: Educational,health and social
services (23.4%), Retail trade (14.0%), Public administration (13.6%).


Crime in Dover 

City-data.com crime index = 381.0 (higher means more crime, US average = 330.6) 
1 murder (3.0 per 100,000) 
15 rapes (45.3 per 100,000) 
50 robberies (151.0 per 100,000) 
117 assaults (353.4 per 100,000) 
105 burglaries (317.1 per 100,000) 
1,528 larceny counts (4614.9 per 100,000) 
107 auto thefts (323.2 per 100,000) 



==========

For Winnebago, the comparable stats are here:


http://www.city-data.com/city/Winnebago-Illinois.html

population in 2002: 2,996
Land area: 1.4 square miles

Median resident age: 33.9 years 
Median household income: $59,891 (year 2000)
Median house value: $110,600 (year 2000)



Races in Winnebago:

White Non-Hispanic (97.0%) 
Hispanic (1.2%) 
Black (1.1%) 


Ancestries:
German (36.2%)
Irish (13.5%)
Swedish (10.2%)
English (10.0%)
Italian (7.4%)
United States (7.3%).


High school or higher: 90.4%
Bachelor's degree or higher: 19.6%
Graduate or professional degree: 6.6%
Unemployed: 3.7%


2003: 13 buildings, average cost: $115,500 


Industries providing employment:  Manufacturing (28.3%),
Educational,health and social services (19.2%)


Crime in Winnebago

0 murders (0.0 per 100,000) 
1 rape (33.8 per 100,000) 
0 robberies (0.0 per 100,000) 
2 assaults (67.6 per 100,000) 
7 burglaries (236.6 per 100,000) 
24 larceny counts (811.4 per 100,000) 
0 auto thefts (0.0 per 100,000) 
City-data.com crime index = 76.1 (higher means more crime, US average = 330.6) 





Winnebago compared to Illinois state average: 

Median household income above state average. 
Black race population percentage significantly below state average. 
Hispanic race population percentage below state average. 
Foreign-born population percentage significantly below state average. 
Renting percentage significantly below state average. 
Number of college students below state average. 
[a similar sity-to-state comparison is not available for Dover]



==================


A few things worth noting:


--Dover is about ten times the size of Winnebago in terms of
population and area, although it's still a fairly small city.

--Although Winnebago has a higher percentage of high-school graduates
among its population, it has a smaller percentage with college degrees
or higher.

--Dover is much more racially and ethnically diverse; Winnebago is
very homogenous and Eurocentric in this respect.

--Manufacturing is a big employer in Winnebago, while Dover tends much
more to service industry employment.  However, Dover has higher
unemployment.

--Crime -- while not quite non-existent -- is very low in Winnebago.

--Incomes are generally higher in Winnebago, on average, probably a
reflection of areas of poverty in Dover.


===================



Information about schools in the two communities can be compared at a
handy website made available by the US Department of Education:




http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/districtsearch/
CCD public school district data for the 2002-2003 school year




A search for school district data for Winnebago turns up the following
(I can't link directly to the results, but you can see them yourself
by entering Winnebago, IL in the appropriate city and state search
boxes):



Winnebago C U Sch Dist 
304 E Mcnair Rd
Winnebago, IL 61088
(815) 335-2456 

Teachers:
Elementary: 59.0 
Secondary: 29.5 
Total Staff (teachers + others): 118.5  



High School Completers: 
Total -- 107
White -- 103 

Amount spent per Student:  $8,435

Total Schools:  5 

Total Students:  1,679 

Student/Teacher Ratio:  15.6 





In Dover, the figures look like this:



Capital School District
945 Forest Street
Dover, DE 19904
(302) 672-1556 



Teachers:
Kindergarten: 19.5  
Elementary: 169.4  
Secondary: 231.0
Total Staff (FTE): 806.1
 



High School Diploma Recipients 

Total -- 267
White -- 144 
Black -- 105 


Amount spent per Student -- $11,893

Total Schools:  12 

Total Students:  6,115 

Student/Teacher Ratio:  14.6 




Two things jump out of the numbers:


--One, is the same diversity vs homogeneity comparison that emerged
from the census figures.

--and two, Dover spends considerably more per student than does
Winnebago, although I think this is fairly typical of larger vs
smaller towns, and probably doesn't reflect much on the quality of the
education.


--Overall, the two systems seem fairly comparable, at least as far as
the data goes.


I hope these comparative data help you in your decision about your
son.  As far as I'm concerned, there's no clear-cut answer to where he
should be, nor is there a clear-cut advantage to one town over the
other in terms of living situations and raising children.  Still,
having the facts at your fingertips should help to think through the
pros and cons, and make an informed decision.

I trust this information answers your question in the best way
possible.  However, please don't rate this answer until you have
everything you need.  If you would like any additional information,
just post a Request for Clarification to let me know how I can assist
you further, and I'm at your service.

All the best,

pafalafa-ga


search strategy -- Used bookmarked sites on cities and school systems

Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 10 Apr 2005 19:52 PDT
Hello nummie-ga,

I always include in my answers a statement like the one in my initial
answer to you:

"...If you would like any additional information, just post a Request
for Clarification to let me know how I can assist you further, and I'm
at your service..."


True to my word, I remain at your service.  You paid a premium price
for your question, and you're certainly entitled to an answer that
fully meets your needs.

I'll do my best to get you exactly that.  Please tell my in what ways
my original answer missed the mark, and what other sorts of
information you would like to have.  If it's out there, I'll find it.

pafalafa-ga
Reason this answer was rejected by nummie-ga:
I appreciate the answer I received. However, it was not as detailed as
I thought it would be. I guess I expected a more encompassing answer
and maybe I was being a bit unrealistic with my expectations. I
understand (as you've said in your answer) that "I can't really answer
your bottom-line question" With that said, the comparative information
provided is helpful but I do not feel it is worth $100.00 I'm
requesting we lower the amount to $35.00 Please let me know if this is
reasonable.
nummie-ga rated this answer:3 out of 5 stars
I appreciate the answer I received. However, it was not as detailed as
I thought it would be. I guess I expected a more encompassing answer
and maybe I was being a bit unrealistic with my expectations. I
understand (as you've said in your answer) that "I can't really answer
your bottom-line question" With that said, the comparative information
provided is helpful but I do not feel it is worth $100.00 I'm
requesting we lower the amount to $35.00 Please let me know if this is
reasonable.

Comments  
Subject: Re: geographical comparisons
From: myoarin-ga on 18 Mar 2005 09:15 PST
 
Hi Nummie,
Just to get the ball rolling, I assume one of you lives in Delaware
and one in Winnebago area, and also that each of you is pretty well
settle in.
I can't tell you about schools or local environment, but if you are
there, you'll know that and can hopefully agree - but maybe you
haven't and that is why you want  suggestions.  But you're both
obviously wanting to do the best thing for your son, so what about
each of you drawing up lists of your plus and minus points for each
place (including your personal situations) and comparing them.
Maybe the solution will be evident, maybe not, but then could identify
what points that you haven't wanted to talk about.  Just a wild guess
for example, that one of you has remarried and ..., well, nuf said ...
Which of you can commute more easily for visiting?  

I can jsut ask questions, but maybe this will give other's ideas that
could help answer your question.
I hope so.  Myoarin
Subject: Re: geographical comparisons
From: markj-ga on 10 Apr 2005 16:55 PDT
 
Nummie --

I think that it is important to note that Winnebago is only 10 miles
from Rockford, a sizable city of more than 150,000 (I grew up there a
LONG time ago).

http://www.ci.rockford.il.us/

markj-ga

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