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Traveler's Rights with Airlines and Airport Security
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: bigal007-ga List Price: $25.00 |
Posted:
03 Aug 2002 16:21 PDT
Expires: 02 Sep 2002 16:21 PDT Question ID: 50285 |
My family arrived yesterday for a one-way flight with America West from BWI to Santa Barbara via Phoenix - approximately 75 minutes before scheduled departure time. After standing in line for check-in, we were first attended to by a check-in agent approximately 60 minutes before departure. The airline's computer randomly selected our party for a screening of our checked baggage. About 40 minutes passed before a single-handed security agent had carried out an extremely thorough manual search of our seven bags. After the bags were cleared, we proceeded directly to the regular gate security/X-ray arriving at the gate 5 minutes before departure. We were denied access to the flight. The airline denied any responsibility for the length of time taken for security.We were told our luggage was on board and would go without us. Is this a legal practice under Federal Law in these circumstances? We were delayed 4.5 hours. Do we have a claim for compensation and if so with whom? |
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Re: Traveler's Rights with Airlines and Airport Security
Answered By: historybuff-ga on 03 Aug 2002 17:49 PDT |
hello biga1007, Having spent four years as a frequent business traveler on various airlines ( I could recognize most of the airports shown in movies), I can certainly understand your frustration. Since last September's terrorist attacks, passenger rights have often taken a back seat to security concerns. The flip side of that has been the airlines using the event as an excuse for poor customer service. Independent Traveler says, ".. Rotten airline "customer service" disguised as patriotism. There are many people from all parts of the political spectrum who suspect that our new national conditions are going to translate into personal abuses..." Normally, if the delay had been caused by airport security people rather than airline, you would have little recourse. The airline and the security checkpoint each follow their own sets of procedures. Unless the airline is running it's own security checkpoint, which I believe a few of them do in certain locations, you are stuck between two organizations neither of which will take responsibility for your problem. The airline has a rule about arrival times; if you fail to arrive at the boarding gate within the specified time they have a right to give your seat to another passenger. Five minutes before departure is certainly under all the airline boarding time requirements. Furthermore, your luggage continuing on without you is common practice. Airlines will not delay a flight to retrieve one passenger's ( or family's) luggage. "Check-In Times Even if you have already checked in for your flight, an airline can cancel your reservation if you are not at the departure gate on time. Even if you have an advance boarding pass, or have an advance seat assignment, your seat may be given to another passenger. " You can see the complete page here: http://www.independenttraveler.com/resources/article.cfm?AID=91&category=12 I am not certain from you question whether the security search was performed by airline personnel or airport security personnel. This would be a critical piece of information since in one scenario the airline had you and your luggage in their control from 60 min before your scheduled departure time, giving you the ability to place the blame squarely with them. In the other, you have two separate organizations involved, making it much harder to pin blame, or get compensation from the airline. Here is an explanation of Rule 240 on passenger rights: "A force major event is any event beyond the airline's control. These include weather, acts of God, civil commotion, war, hostilities, government regulations, shortage of labor or fuel, or any other situation not foreseen by the airline as well as strikes or any other labor-related disputes. Almost any situation falls into this category, and it is not quite as obligating as a schedule irregularity mishap. During a force major event, the airline's only obligation is to give you a full refund. Most likely, the airline will do everything in its power to get you on another flight, whether it is on one of its own planes or another, but they are not obligated to do so." As you can see, government regulations in this case can cover the security check delays, not giving you much to stand on going against the airline. Here is the full explanation of rule 240: http://www.travisa.com/Newsletter/spring_vol24PFV_2002.htm Since you are asking about the laws and regulations, I am going on the assumption that you have exhausted all the avenues for compensation directly from America West. Here is where to go next to file a complaint: "Registering A Complaint Have a Complaint? If you can't resolve your problem or question at the airport and want to file a complaint, call or write the airline's consumer office at its corporate headquarters. If you would like to file a complaint online quickly, and have it directed to the appropriate airline, hotel, cruise line, etc., go to PassengerRights.com and fill out a complaint form there. The DOT has a Web site set up specifically to deal with consumer complaints at http://www.oig.dot.gov. You can get useful information on filing a complaint there; and if your complaint is in reference to airline-ticket pricing or overbooking issues, you may download forms and submit your complaint directly. If you want to put your complaint about an airline on record with DOT, you can call the Federal Aviation Administration at (202) 366-2220 or toll-free at 1-800-322-7873 to record your complaint. Or write: Aviation Consumer Protection Division U.S. Department of Transportation Room 4107, C-75 Washington, DC 20590 airconsumer@ost.dot.gov The DOT web site (http://www.dot.gov/) has links to several other sites, and phone numbers of contacts." Please let me know if this is sufficient, or if you would like further investigation. Please bear in mind that I am not a legal expert. Regards, historybuff | |
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Re: Traveler's Rights with Airlines and Airport Security
From: bobthedispatcher-ga on 03 Aug 2002 18:33 PDT |
Incidentaly BWI Airport (Baltimore, MD) is one of the "test " areas where they try out new security proceedures - meaning that they rarely have time to figure out what they are doing before the newest changes are implemented (or their version is that they use the latest and greatest systems) Probably a mix of both! BTW The direct line to the Airport Terminal there is 410-859-7111 and press"1" for the operator. |
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Re: Traveler's Rights with Airlines and Airport Security
From: bigal007-ga on 12 Aug 2002 15:34 PDT |
Dear Historybuff, I'm sorry it took me so long to acknowledge your excellent response. I have had no luck with The Transportation Security Administration so far. I have left 2 messages but they have not called back. I thought I would send you a copy of a letter to America West which I sent by fax and by mail today. You will see that I established that AW's check-in security staff are their own employees and that I incorporated your suggestion that the blame lies with them. = Jennifer Tonge Director Of Customer Relations America West Airlines 4000 E. Sky Harbor Blvd. Phoenix, AZ 85034 August 12, 2002 By Fax (480 693 2300) and Mail Dear Ms. Tonge, Security Check Delay at BWI - Flight 84 to Phoenix on Aug 2, 2002 I am writing to report an incident occurring in an attempt to board the above flight. I had been joined by my family in Pennsylvania to celebrate the end of a long concert tour of the United States. (I am a performing musician). We had reservations from BWI to Phoenix on the above flight connecting to Santa Barbara on Flight 6156. We arrived for check-in in good time (over 80 minutes before departure time) and would have been given boarding passes well before 60 minutes of departure time if it hadnt been for your computer randomly selecting our entire party of four for a manual search of our bags. The security agent in the check-in area performed an extremely thorough search of every one of our seven bags, but took over 40 minutes to do so. It is surprising he had no help to do this. By the time we had rushed through the regular gate area security/x-ray it was a little under 10 minutes to departure time and perhaps 5 minutes before departure time when we presented ourselves at the gate. We noticed with relief that the door to the aircraft had not yet been closed. However, the gate agent (Katie) took one look at the red stickers on our boarding passes, noticed that there was no security agent in the vicinity and denied us access to the flight. Im not delaying the flight, she said, looking at nobody. We were told our checked bags were on board and would be going without us a questionable practice in my view. The gate agents (Katie and Marion) made us feel like naughty children and sat us down in the empty boarding area until all their paperwork was done, which took about 30 minutes. It seemed they were more concerned about who was going to work their shift tomorrow than rebooking us. A very pleasant (new) agent then arrived at the gate and took care of re-booking us into Santa Barbara via Columbus and Phoenix. We arrived in Santa Barbara about 4 hours 30 minutes later than originally planned. To add insult to injury, our bags had not arrived on the earlier flight(s) and were not delivered from the flight on which we eventually flew from Phoenix either. We reported the missing bags. We called your baggage people at Santa Barbara airport around 9am the next morning and were told there was no news. Surprising, as they had left BWI at 7.30am on Flight 522 to Phoenix. So the bags had not made our original flight. The bags were delivered late that morning at our home address (without any phone call to say they had been found). A lady from your customer service department told me on the telephone last week that you do not offer any compensation for security delays. However, I understand that the security personnel are your employees. In my view therefore, this places the blame for this unprecedented delay firmly in your hands. I would ask that you consider compensating us for this incident. On a positive note, I use your services out of Santa Barbara frequently for both business and pleasure trips and have never had cause to complain. The staff in Santa Barbara is always courteous and efficient. They were very shocked to hear what had happened. I hope you will respond positively to this request. Yours sincerely, === Historybuff - Thank you once again for your help. When AW responds, I will let you know. Bigal007 |
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Re: Traveler's Rights with Airlines and Airport Security
From: bigal007-ga on 27 Aug 2002 12:26 PDT |
Historybuff, I heard from America West by phone. Their best offer for compensation was $100 in travel vouchers for each of the 4 of us. Not great - but better than nothing I suppose. The Transportation Administration were unhelpful and took a week to call back. They said we should be checked in 2 hours before departure. They said there would be no getting back to me but they would report the incident. Thanks again for your help - bye |
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Re: Traveler's Rights with Airlines and Airport Security
From: adacore-ga on 28 Oct 2002 10:03 PST |
Quote: Furthermore, your luggage continuing on without you is common practice. Airlines will not delay a flight to retrieve one passenger's ( or family's) luggage. End Quote I thought that an airline had to remove all luggage belonging to passengers not on the plane by law, to prevent terrorists checking in a bomb in a suitcase, then not going on the flight. |
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