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Source of Classical Greek quote: Better a beggar on earth than a prince in Hades
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: grx-ga List Price: $8.00 |
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30 Mar 2005 17:10 PST
Expires: 29 Apr 2005 18:10 PDT Question ID: 502933 |
An acquaintance of mine was a history teacher at a private school. He occasionally used the following quote--or something like it, which he attributed to the ancient Greeks: "Better a beggar on earth than a prince in the realm of shades," meaning that compared to the afterlife-obsessed Egyptian civilization that preceded them, the Greeks considered earthly existence, however mean, superior to other-worldly aspirations. I like the quote, but I have never been able to verify its source. I asked him about it once, and he made vague reference to Sophocles. Is this a literal quote? If so, from where? Or is it merely a sort of encapsulated world-view? (I wrote "Hades" in the title because "realm of shades" would not fit.) |
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Re: Source of Classical Greek quote: Better a beggar on earth than a prince in Hades
Answered By: scriptor-ga on 30 Mar 2005 17:47 PST Rated: |
Dear grx, It is a real quotation, although it is shortened and there are numerous possible different English translations of the ancient Greek words. The original quotation derives from Homer's "Odyssey", Book 11. In that part of the text, Odysseus speaks to Achilles in the underworld, and Achilles says: "I would rather be a paid servant in a poor man's house and be above ground than king of kings among the dead." (Translation by Samuel Butler) Some examples for other translations of that part are: "I?d rather serve as another man?s labourer, as a poor peasant without land, and be alive on Earth, than be lord of all the lifeless dead." "I'd rather live working as a wage-labourer for hire by some other man, one who had no land and not much in the way of livelihood than lord it over all the wasted dead." "Rather would I live on ground as the hireling of another, with a landless man who had no great livelihood, than bear sway among all the dead that be departed." Sources: Elpenor: Homer - The Underworld, from the Odyssey http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/ancient-greece/homer-odyssey-underworld.asp Poetry in Translation: The Odyssey - Book XI http://www.tonykline.co.uk/Browsepages/Greek/Odyssey11.htm Ian Johnston, Malaspina University-College: Homer - The Odyssey, Book Eleven http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/homer/odyssey11.htm Galileo Library: Homer, The Odyssey - Book 11 http://www.galileolibrary.com/ebooks/eu02/odyssey_page_43.htm Hope this answers your question! Regards, Scriptor Search terms used: "lieber ein bettler" ://www.google.de/search?hl=de&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&q=%22lieber+ein+bettler%22&btnG=Suche&meta= homer "than a king" ://www.google.de/search?q=homer+%22than+a+king%22&hl=de&lr=&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&start=0&sa=N homer underworld peleus ://www.google.de/search?q=homer+underworld+peleus&hl=de&lr=&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&start=0&sa=N odyssey "book 11" -butler ://www.google.de/search?hl=de&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&q=odyssey+%22book+11%22+-butler&btnG=Suche&meta= |
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Beautiful! Thanks! [I notice that the German link in your Google search ("lieber ein bettler")seems to reference some very literal translations that are more economical word-wise.] |
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Re: Source of Classical Greek quote: Better a beggar on earth than a prince in Hades
From: indexturret-ga on 30 Mar 2005 18:10 PST |
Sounds like the opposite of what Satan says in Milton's _Paradise_Lost_: "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven." |
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Re: Source of Classical Greek quote: Better a beggar on earth than a prince in Hades
From: indexturret-ga on 08 Apr 2005 06:44 PDT |
It now occurs to me that given that Milton was one of the most well-read people ever, he no doubt well knew that he was reverse-echoing Homer. |
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