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Subject: Information Visualization?
Category: Science > Instruments and Methods
Asked by: 6ra3-ga
List Price: $100.00
Posted: 01 Apr 2005 05:52 PST
Expires: 01 May 2005 06:52 PDT
Question ID: 503575
Hi,

I would like to know more about scientific research in this area,
second I woud like to know what science has arrived at to date
(available on the web or off-line if you're able to reference sources)
and third I would like to know the areas of its use in the future that
are being predicted.

A summary at the beginning of your answer would be idea before digging
into each area and expressing your findings.

I'd be more than happy to clarify my question.

Thank you.

-Mao

Request for Question Clarification by mathtalk-ga on 01 Apr 2005 09:39 PST
Hi, mao:

Yes, maybe it would be helpful for you to Clarify if the area of
interest is more about research into:

 - psychology of visualization, eg. cognition, retention, etc.

 - computer algorithms for efficient display of data, eg. folding dimensions

 - hardware technology...

 - physiology of visualization...

Or none of these?  Some cross-section?

regards, mathtalk-ga

Clarification of Question by 6ra3-ga on 01 Apr 2005 23:00 PST
Hi Mathtalk,

I'd like you to focus on computer algorithms for efficient display of
data.  Also, suggestions for good books in the area would be
appreciated.

Thank you.

-Mao

Clarification of Question by 6ra3-ga on 03 Apr 2005 00:03 PST
Hello Mathtalk,

I hope we're on the right track? :-)

-Mao

Request for Question Clarification by mathtalk-ga on 03 Apr 2005 07:58 PDT
There are many interesting computer algorithms related to
visualization, eg. graphic display of surfaces requires projection,
rotation, hidden polygon, etc.

There are also interesting algorithms which are primarily about
identifying information, "signal" among "noise", which lend themselves
to visual interpretations.

So, in response to your Question, I'd post about half a dozen topics
in each of these categories (a dozen altogether) with some on-line
links to further references, and finally a few book titles on these
subjects.

The third part of your Question asks "to know the areas of its use in
the future that are being predicted."  I've just begun to think about
this, so if you have some additional Clarification of this, it would
be helpful to have it soon.

regards, mathtalk-ga

Clarification of Question by 6ra3-ga on 07 Apr 2005 01:42 PDT
Hi Mathtalk,

I'll get back to you in a day or two at the most, I'm traveling on business.

Thank you for waiting for me. :-)

-Mao

Clarification of Question by 6ra3-ga on 08 Apr 2005 15:13 PDT
Hi Mathtalk,

No more clarifications, I'm happy with where you're heading.. go ahead. :-)

-Mao
Answer  
Subject: Re: Information Visualization?
Answered By: leapinglizard-ga on 12 Apr 2005 14:53 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear 6ra3,

Information visualization, or infovis, is a broad multidisciplinary
field that never stops evolving. Although great strides have been made
in the presentation, manipulation, and interpretation of data, there are
few definitive results because the technology of infovis is changing
at too rapid a pace. As hardware improves, bringing larger storage
capacities, higher-resolution screens, and faster graphics processors,
the means of information visualization quickly become obsolete and
must be refreshed. At the same time, the data to be visualized is also
growing in scale due to the increasing reach of data collection devices
and the competitive demands of new marketplaces in which information is
the currency or the source of profit.

With the understanding that information visualization is constantly
undergoing development, the best we can do is to provide a snapshot
of current results. I have listed below a number of research projects
that deal with state-of-the-art visualization techniques for gaining
insight into raw data or for rearranging chaotic visual information into
meaningful structures. Most of the pages to which I link provide further
links to technical papers on their subject. The topics covered below
range from the static representation of mathematical structures to the
dynamic exploration of climatic models. At the end, I'll point you to a
web junction that leads to many more examples of information-visualization
research.

You may also like to read a set of slides written by Tamara Munzner, a
leading academic in the field, as part of her course materials. The slides
are accessible through the second link below, after a paragraph from
Prof. Munzner that I think captures the essence of infovis very nicely.

    Computer-based information visualization, or "infovis", centers
    around helping people explore or explain data by designing
    interactive software that exploits the properties of the human
    perceptual system. The central design challenge in infovis is
    designing a cognitively useful spatial mapping of a dataset
    that is not inherently spatial. There are many possible visual
    encodings, only a fraction of which are helpful for a given
    task. It draws on the intellectual history of several traditions,
    including computer graphics, human-computer interaction, cognitive
    psychology, semiotics, graphic design, statistical graphics,
    cartography, and art. The synthesis of relevant ideas from these
    fields with new methodologies and techniques made possible by
    interactive computation are critical for helping people keep
    pace with the torrents of data confronting them. One of the few
    resources increasing faster than the speed of computer hardware
    is the amount of data to be processed.

University of British Columbia: Tamara Munzner: CPSC 533C Overview
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~tmm/courses/cpsc533c-03-spr/

University of British Columbia: Tamara Munzner: Information Visualization
Introduction [slides]
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~tmm/courses/cpsc533c-03-spr/0108.intro/index.html


One of Prof. Munzner's research projects concerns the representation
of the massive graphs that result from network analysis. A graph with
hundreds of thousands of nodes is not easily drawn, and when drawn,
not easily assessed.

    Many real-world domains can be represented as large node-link
    graphs: backbone Internet routers connect with 70,000 other
    hosts, mid-sized Web servers handle between 20,000 and 200,000
    hyperlinked documents, and dictionaries contain millions of words
    defined in terms of each other. Computational manipulation of such
    large graphs is common, but previous tools for graph visualization
    have been limited to datasets of a few thousand nodes. [...]

    This thesis contains a detailed analysis of three specialized
    systems for the interactive exploration of large graphs, relating
    the intended tasks to the spatial layout and visual encoding
    choices. We present two novel algorithms for specialized layout
    and drawing that use quite different visual metaphors. The H3
    system for visualizing the hyperlink structures of web sites
    scales to datasets of over 100,000 nodes by using a carefully
    chosen spanning tree as the layout backbone, 3D hyperbolic
    geometry for a Focus+Context view, and provides a fluid
    interactive experience through guaranteed frame rate drawing. The
    Constellation system features a highly specialized 2D layout
    intended to spatially encode domain-specific information for
    computational linguists checking the plausibility of a large
    semantic network created from dictionaries. The Planet Multicast
    system for displaying the tunnel topology of the Internet's
    multicast backbone provides a literal 3D geographic layout of
    arcs on a globe to help MBone maintainers find misconfigured
    long-distance tunnels.

Stanford: Tamara Munzner: Interactive Visualization of Large Graphs
and Networks
http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/munzner_thesis/


A particular kind of graph is a tree, which organizes nodes below
a designated root node. The next two projects demonstrate that the
spatial characteristics of a complex tree can be effectively explored
by augmenting them with color coding or with navigational tools that
act as an interactive guide to the tree structure.

    Treemap is a space-constrained visualization of hierarchical
    structures. It is very effective in showing attributes of leaf
    nodes using size and color coding. Treemap enables users to
    compare nodes and sub-trees even at varying depth in the tree,
    and help them spot patterns and exceptions.

University of Maryland: Human-Computer Interaction Lab: Treemap
http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/treemap/


    SpaceTree is a novel tree browser that builds on the conventional
    layout node link diagrams along a single preferred direction. It
    adds dynamic rescaling of branches of the tree to best fit the
    available screen space, optimized camera movement, and the use
    of preview icons summarizing the topology of the branches that
    cannot be expanded. In addition, it includes integrated search
    and filter functions. This paper reflects on the evolution
    of the design and highlights the principles that emerged from
    it. A controlled experiment showed benefits for navigation tasks
    to already previously visited nodes and estimation of overall
    tree topology.

University of Maryland: Human-Computer Interaction Lab: SpaceTree:
a novel node-link tree browser
http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/spacetree/


There is much work dedicated to the problem of usefully representing
massive data sets containing millions of data points. Large computer
screens with millions of pixels have made it physically possible to
squeeze the data into a unified representation, but in order to make sense
of this vast visual display, researchers have devised new algorithms to
subdivide the data into semantically cohesive subsets.

    Because of the ever increasing size of datasets, it gets harder
    and harder to extract useful information out of them. Indeed
    with the use of digital technology everywhere for data
    collection or generation, typical datasets have grown by
    orders of magnitude and some may be a million times or more
    larger. These immense datasets become exploration-dominant
    since even the experts who create or collect them don't know,
    in detail, what's inside. It is important that the user of the
    data is able to explore the data in an interactive fashion, no
    matter how large the dataset is. This is because very responsive
    communication between user and data allows the user to achieve a
    new, higher state,perceptually and cognitively, of information
    understanding. We're developing several techniques that enable
    this responsive communication. [...]
    
    One of these techniques is a fast clustering algorithm that
    uses an initial binsort to scale the data to a more manageable
    size. Given an arbitrary dataset, the algorithm finds a
    user-specified number of clusters in the data. The emphasis isn't
    so much on the accuracy of the positions of the clusters, but
    rather on the time it takes to find them. This makes the emphasis
    much different than for usual clustering and related (e.g.,
    shape determination) algorithms, where accuracy is attained at
    the expense of much longer computational times. Nevertheless, the
    algorithm is reasonably good and satisfies the criterion of being
    "good enough" by supplying enough detail for further exploration.

Georgia Tech: Data Visualization Group: Clustering for Exploratory
Visualization of Large Data
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/datavis/research/clustering.html


    Visualizing one million of items on a 1600x1200 screen is a
    challenge in term of visualization, graphics, perception and
    interaction. We have designed new techniques to achieve it for
    treemaps and scatter plots. [...]
    
    Whereas treemaps are space-filling visualization techniques where
    areas never overlap, scatter plots cannot avoid overlap. Even
    with hundreds of items, the distribution tends to be sparse
    with areas of high density that are hard to see. Transparency is
    useful when up to five items overlap, but with one million items,
    hundreds of overlapping items are not rare. To solve that problem,
    we synthesize an overlap attribute to show the item density. [...]

    When the positions of the data items are preserved - i.e. when
    only changing colors or stacking order - flipping between views
    enables quick comparisons thanks to the retina persistency. [...]
    
    Dynamic queries rely on interactively filtering and redisplaying
    a data set through a continuous interaction. Current systems
    use "range-sliders" to filter one attribute either changing the
    smallest value, the largest, or sweeping a range of values between
    the smallest and the largest. To achieve the redisplay speed
    required for smooth interaction, we have designed a technique
    that relies on hardware acceleration. The data set should be
    loaded into main memory. When the user activates a slider to
    perform the query dynamically, all the items are sent to the
    GPU and stored in a display list. The Z coordinate is calculated
    according to the attribute being filtered by the dynamic query
    so, for example, if a film database is displayed and the user
    wants to filter on the size of the film, the size is assigned to
    the Z-axis. Each time the slider moves, a new near or far plane
    value is computed and sent to the GPU and the list is redisplayed,
    leaving the visibility computation to the hardware.

University of Maryland: Human-Computer Interaction Lab: Interactive
Information Visualization of a Million Items
http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/millionvis/
    
    
Computer simulations of natural phenomena have long been pursued on
a prodigious scale, but only recently has graphical hardware reached
the point where it can adequately represent some portion of the vast
number-crunching effort. Researchers at Georgia Tech have built a system
that allows meteorologists to visually navigate through a computational
model of a local weather system in search of significant patterns. Others
are developing more general tools to visually analyze the data that
flows from large simulations.

    Researchers are working now to integrate a high-resolution weather
    model, which can forecast conditions for areas as small as one
    to four square kilometers. Researchers expect to complete the
    project within two years.

    "Once we have it all there, we will be able to show for the first
    time these dynamic volumes of information in this visualization
    system, basically as the data are received," Ribarsky says. "This
    has not been done in 3D before in a time-dependent format."

    Faust adds that the ability to look at storms in three dimensions
    in real time will give researchers new insight into the 3D nature
    of storm development, and that information will result in better
    severe weather detection software.

Georgia Tech: Data Visualization Group: Seeing Three Dimensions in
Real Time
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/datavis/research/weather/weather.html


    We have constructed a tightly coupled set of general methods
    for monitoring, steering, and applying visual analysis to large
    scale simulations. This work is based in part on a collaborative,
    interdisciplinary process that teams application and computer
    scientists to develop a powerful integrated approach. The
    integrated design allows great flexibilty in the development
    and use of analysis tools. Underlying all this is a general data
    organization for exploratory visualization/analysis. It supports
    mappings between (user-defined) visual representations and the
    original data. We have developed tools that take advantage of
    this organization and allow selection of data using spatial or
    other constraints. These selected data can be reclassified for
    binding to new visual representations(or hidden from view). The
    selection and binding is performed in an intuitive manner by
    direct manipulation so that even users who are not graphics
    experts can do it. The direct manipulation selection process and
    the underlying data organization also allow us to apply powerful
    and straightforward techniques for visual steering.

Georgia Tech: Data Visualization Group: Steering, Visualization,
and Analysis
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/datavis/research/atmospheric.html


Quite apart from the problem of rendering a graph in a readable fashion,
there is the one of attaching labels that will inform viewers of the
meaning of each node or edge. The size and placement of such labels poses
considerable difficulties in the spatial interface. One project proposes
that circular, localized arrangements of labels are an effective solution.

    The widespread use of information visualization is hampered by
    the lack of effective labeling techniques. We propose "excentric
    labeling", a new dynamic technique to label a neighborhood
    of objects located around the cursor. This technique does not
    intrude into the existing interaction, it is not computationally
    intensive, and was easily applied to several visualization
    applications. A pilot study indicated a strong speed benefit
    for tasks that involve the rapid exploration of large numbers
    of objects.

University of Maryland: Human-Computer Interaction Lab: Excentric Labeling
for Information Visualization
http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/excentric/


The web is a graph structure that attracts interest for its commercial
value and its rapidly growing topology. Novel methods that distort the
graph on a non-linear scale offer an appealing alternative to traditional
perspectives.

    We visualize the structure of sections of the World Wide Web
    by constructing graphical representations in 3D hyperbolic
    space. The felicitous property that hyperbolic space has
    ``more room'' than Euclidean space allows more information to
    be seen amid less clutter, and motion by hyperbolic isometries
    provides for mathematically elegant navigation. The 3D graphical
    representations, available in the WebOOGL or VRML file formats,
    contain link anchors which point to the original pages on the
    Web itself. We use the Geomview/WebOOGL 3D Web browser as an
    interface between the 3D representation and the actual documents
    on the Web. The Web is just one example of a hierarchical tree
    structure with links ``back up the tree'' i.e. a directed graph
    which contains cycles. Our information visualization techniques
    are appropriate for other types of directed graphs with cycles,
    such as filesystems with symbolic links.

Stanford University: Tamara Munzner: Visualizing the Structure of the
World Wide Web in 3D Hyperbolic Space
http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/webviz/


Carnegie Mellon has three ongoing projects devoted to information
visualization. The first seeks to give users a convenient way to
manipulate data by associating it with a physical representation. Thus,
each data set is represented by a virtual reality that one can
explore and modify. The second is devoted to visualizing queries on
relational databases, making a departure from the conventional textual
representations. Finally, the SolarPlot tool combines the techniques of
data segmentation and circular depiction to ease pattern discovery in
large data sets.

    Current static visualizations are limited in several important
    ways:

    * Users are not able to focus on different object sets in detail
    while still keeping them in context with the environment.

    * When the information space is dense, there will be a lot of
    clutter and object occlusion.

    * A data set may contain elements that have vastly different
    values. Thus, some objects may be dwarfed when shown in the
    scale used for the entire data set.

    * Many visualizations only allow users to view the underlying
    data, and do not provide tools for classifying sets of objects
    and saving those classifications.

    * It is difficult to compare quantities represented by graphical
    objects which are not spatially contiguous.

    The SDM paradigm deals with these difficulties by providing
    object-centered selection, direct object manipulation through
    the use of handles, and a "physics" of objects that supports
    malleability and flexible control. Every object in a graphic set
    correllates with a unique object in the data set. Each object
    in a graphic set uses the same visual specifications.

    For example, a data set of supply centers might be visualized as a
    set of cylinders; where the materials-weight attribute is mapped
    to the height of the cylinder, and the longitude and latitude
    attributes are mapped to the x and y location of the cylinder.

Carnegie Mellon: SAGE Visualization Group: Selective Dynamic Manipulation
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/sage/sdm.html


    Exploratory data analysis is an iterative process where high level
    questions lead to specific queries whose answers are examined for
    interesting patterns. These in turn suggest new questions. To
    facilitate this kind of exploration, we would like to provide
    the analyst rapid, incremental, and reversible operations giving
    continuous visual feedback. However we also need the expressive
    power to reorganize the data on the fly, to juxtapose objects
    according to diverse criteria, and visualizations to show
    relationships among properties of these different objects. In
    short, we want both the ease of use of direct manipulation
    systems and the power of database query systems. [...] 
    
    VQE is a Visual Query Environment for expressing queries involving
    navigation among multiple objects, aggregating these objects,
    and defining derived attributes for them.
    
Carnegie Mellon: SAGE Visualization Group: Visual Query Environments
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/sage/vqe.html


    New technologies have made it much easier for us to collect
    and disseminate information. However, the explosion of
    information also means that we have to keep track of huge
    amounts of information. This can sometimes be very difficult
    and time consuming. The SolarPlot and Aggregate TreeMaps are
    visualization interfaces that can help us better deal with certain
    types of large data sets. They are both based on the concept of
    data aggregation or data binning. Data aggregation or binning
    simplifies large data sets by summarizing groups of data elements
    and representing such groups with a single graphical symbol.

    The SolarPlot is an interactive circular histogram. Data values
    are plotted around the circumference of a circle. Interactive
    control is provided so that the circle may be continuously
    expanded or contracted. By interactively expanding and contracting
    the solarPlot we can view the data at different levels of detail
    (i.e. different levels of aggregation). Different aggregation
    levels may reveal different patterns within the data set.

Carnegie Mellon: SAGE Visualization Group: Solarplot & Aggregate Tree Map
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/sage/solar.html

    
Descriptions of many more research projects, along with papers and other
technical materials, can be found by visiting the research centers linked
on the following page.
    
Information Visualization: Research
http://iv.homeunix.org/research.php

    
Experts in information visualization predict that advanced techniques
for information visualization will become increasingly widespread as
computers become ubiquitous and as software designers, assisted by
user-interface experts, begin to confront the limitations of existing
representational modes. Systems that previously needed no user interface
will now acquire them as they become more software-intensive, calling
for means of displaying and interpreting the resulting flow of data.
For instance, as computerized automobile control systems extend to every
corner of our cars, the data they feed back to the driver from their 
many sensors must be marshaled in a sensible fashion. The fact that auto
manufacturers have not managed to do so yet -- the most advanced control
systems by Mercedes and BMW are equipped with the most notoriously
inscrutable user interfaces -- means that there is a patent need for
good information visualization that must be addressed in future.

Information visualization will become a daily task not just for
specialized information workers but for average consumers who increasingly
need a way to cope with the data surging at them from every corner of a
digitized world. As another example, televisions now cram a great deal of
information into the screen in a haphazard fashion that makes each data
stream more difficult to pick out. Fortunately, information-visualization
researchers have laid considerable groundwork that offers better solutions
to these problems. These solutions will inevitably migrate into the public
sphere to assist consumers in controlling and understanding their data
streams. And yet more data is coming, making it all the more vital to
pursue further research.


    We believe that the future of user interfaces is in the direction
    of larger, information-abundant displays. With such designs, the
    worrisome flood of information can be turned into a productive
    river of knowledge. Our experience during the past eight years
    has been that visual query formulation and visual display of
    results can be combined with the successful strategies of direct
    manipulation. Human perceptual skills are are quite remarkable
    and largely underutilized in current information and computing
    systems. Based on this insight, we developed dynamic queries,
    starfield displays, treemaps, treebrowsers, zoomable user
    interfaces, and a variety of widgets to present, search, browse,
    filter, and compare rich information spaces.

    There are many visual alternatives but the basic principle
    for browsing and searching might be summarized as the Visual
    Information Seeking Mantra: Overview first, zoom and filter,
    then details-on-demand. In several projects we rediscovered this
    principle and therefore wrote it down and highlighted it as a
    continuing reminder. If we can design systems with effective
    visual displays, direct manipulation interfaces, and dynamic
    queries then users will be able to responsibly and confidently
    take on even more ambitious tasks.

University of Maryland: Human-Computer Interaction Lab: Visualization
http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/research/visualization.shtml


    In the future, information visualization systems will become
    increasingly pervasive. Future processors speed will no doubt
    continue to advance according to Moore's Law, but the amount
    of data to process will increase even faster. This explosion of
    data comes from many sources:

    * processors with the ability to log events have become interwoven
    with the fabric of daily and business life;

    * sensors that have become small, cheap, and networked;

    * and the growing feasibility of simulation that allows the
    gathering of data about virtual rather than real-world events.

    Data collection isn't an end of itself, but a means to the end of
    helping humans deal with the world. Computer-based visualization
    lets humans wend their way hrough these mountains of data,
    making decisions based on understanding.

Stanford University: Tamara Munzner: Introduction to IEEE Computer
Graphics and Applications Special Issue on Information Visualization
http://graphics.stanford.edu/~munzner/cga02/gei.html


Now for some book recommendations. The following is a collection of
academic articles on state-of-the-art topics in the field of information
visualization. It is often used in the classroom as a graduate textbook.

Amazon: Readings in Information Visualization : Using Vision to Think
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1558605339/002-9353419-4653610?v=glance


Here is another and somewhat less costly textbook often used in graduate
courses on information visualization.

Amazon: Information Visualization : Perception for Design
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1558608192/qid=1113328930/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-9353419-4653610


Some professors opine that the following will soon become the new
standard textbook.
    
Amazon: Information Visualization
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201596261/qid=1113329528/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-9353419-4653610?v=glance&s=books
    
    
Finally, here is a recognized classic that bears on effective visual
representation and interpretation in all media, from books to posters.
    
Amazon: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/096139210X/o/qid%3D978727203/sr%3D2-1/002-9353419-4653610
    
    
It has been an interesting challenge to address this question on your
behalf. If you find fault with my answer, please inform me through a
Clarification Request so that I may fully meet your needs before you
assign a rating.
    
Regards, 

leapinglizard
6ra3-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Hello LeapingLizard,

I find the information to be appropriate and covers the requirements
of the question, though because the person who asked me for help with
this is not available to give me feedback, I've decided to give the
question a five star rating and apologize for the delay and if I have
further needs, or him for that matter, we shall post a new question
that references this one to continue the chain of thoughts.

Thank you!

-Mao

Comments  
Subject: Re: Information Visualization?
From: willcodeforfood-ga on 01 Apr 2005 09:35 PST
 
Many find this field more an art than science.

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Subject: ATTN: MATHTALK
From: jumpstart-ga on 04 Apr 2005 19:11 PDT
 
IMPORTANT******


"6ra3-ga" -- Please kindly ignore this.


Hi Mathtalk,

Seeing that you are currently working on this question....

I thought, I can post my comment/question in here..

How do you post solutions which contains some notations like Sigma, Dau etc..
Even in normal text editor ( without any rich text format )?

( http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=496203)

Please let me know. 

Thanks in advance,
JS
Subject: Re: Information Visualization?
From: mathtalk-ga on 05 Apr 2005 08:01 PDT
 
Hi, jumpstart-ga:

These are Unicode characters.  I use them sparingly because support
for them will vary with the browser and the installed character fonts
on a personal computer.

In Windows you can cut and paste from the Character Map applet into IE or Firefox.

regards, mathtalk-ga
Subject: ATTN: MATHTALK
From: jumpstart-ga on 05 Apr 2005 09:16 PDT
 
"6ra3-ga" -- Please kindly ignore this.

Hi MathTalk,

Thank you so much for the previous prompt reply.

I have a question posted in google:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=505010

I've seen your awesome response to other questions.
It would be great if you can help me get an answer/comment for my question.

Please try to help if your time/interest permits!

for more reference, please see
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=501125

Thanks,
Jumpstart

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