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Subject: Lord Ronald Graham
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference
Asked by: probonopublico-ga
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Posted: 04 Aug 2002 05:02 PDT
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Was the second son of the 6th Duke of Montrose. He was educated at
Stowe and joined the Royal Navy in 1940 when he would have been
28-ish.

Would like some more biographical details, please.
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Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: tehuti-ga on 04 Aug 2002 06:03 PDT
 
Here is something about his membership of the Right Club, a pro-Nazi
organisation favoured by a number of the British "nobility"

http://burn.ucsd.edu/archives/ats-l/2000.01/msg00023.html
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: probonopublico-ga on 04 Aug 2002 07:08 PDT
 
Hi ... Yes, he was a member of The Right Club and I have now found his
dob: 10 Sept 1912. But what happened to him after 1940?
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: tehuti-ga on 04 Aug 2002 07:35 PDT
 
He does not feature in Britannica (my hard copy edition) or in the
World Biographical Index http://www.saur-wbi.de/.  That does include a
Ronald Graham, born 1912 and died 1950, but this RG was a musical
comedy actor.  I had a look at Burke's Peerage,
http://www.burkes-peerage.net/code/newsearch.asp, but the info
available for free did not show anything, although seven records (for
other people) were returned when I searched on the name.
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: brad-ga on 04 Aug 2002 09:47 PDT
 
1. Ronald Graham was not listed as a child of the 6th Duke in the
geneological records; perhaps because only the next duke, James Angus,
is an older brother, and only the direct line of dukes is followed.
Primogeniture takes a toll on those born after the first as Winston
Churchill would be quick to acknowledge.
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1a) JAMES, 6th Duke of Montrose (London 1 May 1878-Auchmar, Drymen,
Glasgow 20 Jan 1954); m.London 14 Jun 1906 Lady Mary Douglas-Hamilton
(London 1 Nov 1884-21 Feb 1957)
"In 1895, the 12th Duke of Hamilton died without a male heir and the
castle passed to his daughter, Mary Louise Hamilton, who later married
the 6th Duke of Montrose. Brodick Castle was the home of a different
ducal family for only one generation though, for upon the death of
Mary, Duchess of Montrose in 1957, the castle has been owned and
preserved by the National Trust for Scotland"
http://www.savannahweb.net/hamilton/places.htm
  
  

1b) JAMES Angus, 7th Duke of Montrose, etc (London 2 May 1907-10 Feb
1992); m.1st Edinburgh 20 Oct 1930 (div 1950) Isobel Veronica Seller
(Glasgow 13 Oct 1907-1990); m.2d Salisbury, South Rhodesia 17 Apr 1952
Susan Mary Semple (b.Zanzibar 15 Nov 1928)
  
  
1c) Fiona Mary (b.Cam-Allt, Fintry, Stirlingshire 1 Jan 1932); m.1 Oct
1966 Peter Alexander O'Brien Hannon; Note: According to GHdA Lady
Fiona and her brother, the 8th Duke, were born at Cam-Allt; other
reports state that they were born in Salisbury, Rhodesia]
2c) JAMES, 8th Duke of Montrose (b.Cam-Allt [or, Salisbury, Rhodesia]
6 Apr 1935); m.31 Jan 1970 Catherine Elizabeth MacDonell Young
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/montrose.html
********************************
Not much at this site although his rank was listed.

  Graham, Ronald Malise Hamilton, Lieut.

Born: 20 SEP 1912
Father: Graham, James, Duke of Montrose 6th, b. 1 MAY 1878
Mother: Hamilton, Mary Louise, Lady, b. 1 NOV 1884
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal33510

******************************
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: scriptor-ga on 04 Aug 2002 16:10 PDT
 
I vaguely remember having read a book some years ago. It mentioned
something like that Lord Ronald Graham allegedly had a distant German
cousin named Kurt Jancke or Kurt Jahnke or something similar; I can't
recollect it exactly. It was a rather boring book with lots of
non-reliable speculations (such as that Lord Ronald Graham was
connected with Nazi secret services via that Jahnke / Jancke). If you
consider it interesting, I could try to find the said book, but I
think I won't be able to re-locate it. Alas, I have forgotten title
and author completely.

Scriptor
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: probonopublico-ga on 04 Aug 2002 22:47 PDT
 
My thanks to everyone.

I was particularly interested in Scriptor's response. 

Certainly, Lord Ronald Graham was very pro-Nazi, hence his membership
of the secret, anti-Jewish Right Club. However, I have never heard of
his being a cousin of Kurt Jahnke or any other German for that matter.
They may well have been in contact because from 1934 to 1940 Jahnke
operated a semi-private intelligence service (the Jahnkeburo) under
the auspices of Rudolf Hess.

Jahnke apparently visited England in 1938 travelling under the name of
Johnson and he met some important people. And, in 1939, he tried to
prevent the war.

So, Scriptor (and everyone else) any more info that you can dredge up
would be appreciated.

Regards

Bryan
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: fp-ga on 09 Jan 2004 05:06 PST
 
Hi, Bryan

Just in case you're still looking for biographical details concerning
Lord Ronald Graham. According to
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/montrose.html
Ronald Malise Hamilton Graham died in 1978.

According to a genealogical book (offline, published in Germany 1956),
he lived in London and Jamaica.


Regards,
Freddy
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: probonopublico-ga on 09 Jan 2004 05:46 PST
 
Freddy

You've done it again!

I didn't know that he lived in Jamaica.

Do you know when?
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: fp-ga on 09 Jan 2004 08:56 PST
 
The C. A. Starke Verlag (Germany) is the publisher of "Genealogisches
Handbuch des Adels":
http://www.starkeverlag.de/shopfactory/GesamtkatalogBuchprogrammGenealogisches_Handbuch_des_Adels.html

The Montrose family is mentioned in Vol. 14 (Fürstliche Häuser IV, 1956):
http://www.starkeverlag.de/shopfactory/enter.html?target=GesamtkatalogBuchprogrammGenealogisches_Handbuch_des_AdelsFubrstliche_Hvduser.html

According to page 454 Ronald and his wife lived in London SW1 and in
Jamaica. I suppose I could give you the exact address (or would this
1956 address be removed by Google editors?).

The Montrose family is not mentioned in previous or later volumes of
the "Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels" (first published in 1951).

Regards,
Freddy
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: probonopublico-ga on 09 Jan 2004 09:56 PST
 
Hi, Again, Freddy

Many thanks for the further info & links. 

Much appreciated.

I actually know Lord Ronnie's London address for the period in which I
am interested, although I doubt if the Google Editors would remove the
address of someone who's long dead.

A thought has just occurred to me ...

Would the Editors remove a message in code?

I'll give this a whirl ... as an experiment.

Kindest regards

Bryan
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: fp-ga on 09 Jan 2004 10:40 PST
 
Well, according to the 1956 genealogy: SW 1, 33 Pont St. and Landfall
Ocho Rios, Jamaica.

By the way, I suppose you know that the mother of the 12th Duke of
Hamilton (i.e. Ronald's grandfather) was German:
http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/hamilton.html
and
http://www.geocities.com/henrivanoene/genbaden.html
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: probonopublico-ga on 09 Jan 2004 10:50 PST
 
Hi, Again, Freddy

NO ... I didn't know that there was German blood in the family.

Now that is interesting ...

You will recall that, in 1941, Rudolf Hess came visiting the Duke of
Hamilton and I seem to recall that Hamilton's wife was a daughter of
the Duke of Northumberland.

So, maybe Scriptor wasn't jesting when he claimed that Kurt Jahnke was
a cousin of Lord Ron's?

Or if he was jesting ... !

I have prepared by new question that I intend to post tomorrow, and I
expect you to answer ... eventually.

Watch this space!
Subject: Re: Lord Ronald Graham
From: probonopublico-ga on 09 Jan 2004 10:52 PST
 
He was educated at Stowe ...

I wonder if he was a contemporary of Donald Maclean?

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