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Travel with dual citizenship/passports US & UK
Category: Sports and Recreation > Travel Asked by: emarwood-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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04 Apr 2005 12:40 PDT
Expires: 04 May 2005 12:40 PDT Question ID: 504807 |
I have dual citizenship in the USA and United Kingdom. I am planning to travel around South America this summer, and I have learned that certain countries (such as Brazil) charge significantly more for visas on US passports than on EU passports. Thus, I would like to use my British passport abroad. I know that I must leave and enter the US on my US passport, but will it be a problem if, for example, I leave the US bound for Argentina on my US passport and return from Mexico with no other stamps in my passport (because I will have used my EU passport for all international travel in between)? And when they say you must leave the US on your US passport, does that mean I must use it to enter my first destination country, or just that I must show it to the airline agent upon check-in for my flight departing the US? |
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Re: Travel with dual citizenship/passports US & UK
From: myoarin-ga on 04 Apr 2005 13:51 PDT |
With dual citizenship, you are one individual with two entirely separate sets of documentation. For example, within the US, if you wish to present UK/EU identification, you should also have valid US documentation for residency and work permit. That could be a problem for you if you wished to reenter the States using your EU passport. IF you have that, of course you can travel from and return to the States as a UK citizen. Maybe you can secure such documentation. It is unclear from your question whether you "know" (perhaps for the above reasons) or just have heard ("... when they say ...") that you must enter and leave the States on your US passport. US Emigration does stamp US passports, and will look for a exit stamp when you reenter. To what extend they check other stamps to follow your trip ...? Probably post 9/11 more than before. I (no expert, and this is no profession advice) would go ahead and pay the higher fee for a visa to a US citizen unless you can secure the documentation as a valid UK citizen resident in the States. I thought through some possible other scenarios, but they could be problematic at every border. |
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Re: Travel with dual citizenship/passports US & UK
From: emarwood-ga on 04 Apr 2005 14:43 PDT |
It is clear on the state department website that I must enter and leave the US on my US passport, and I plan on doing so. I'm just wondering about the travelling in between and whether or not it will be problematic. As I am a natural born US citizen I would not be interested in any extra documentation to complement my UK passport, I only recently got it because my mother is a UK citizen. It seems that it wouldn't be too much of a problem since it is perfectly legal to have both passports and use them....I'm just looking for a secure answer. But thanks for your comment! |
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Re: Travel with dual citizenship/passports US & UK
From: rainbow-ga on 04 Apr 2005 14:58 PDT |
Hi emarwood, I'm also a dual passport-holder, one of them being a US passport. I have travelled in and out of the US using both, like you are planning to do. I have had no problems entering the US with no other stamps on my passport. As for when you leave the US on your US passport, you simply need to show your US passport at the check-in and not at your first destination country. I hope this is helpful. Best regards, Rainbow Google Answers Researcher |
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Re: Travel with dual citizenship/passports US & UK
From: myoarin-ga on 04 Apr 2005 19:17 PDT |
I have been reading the State Dept website on passports. Of course, it does say that one must present the US passport on leaving and entering the States, but this - it seems to me - is merely an explanation directed at US citizens. You are both. It is a little schizophrenic, you are a Brit when you use the UK passport, hence my explanation about having docs for residency etc. At that moment, you can't just say: "Oh, but I'm also an American." And vice versa in the UK, if were to use the US passport. Anyway, insofar as you do not need a visa to enter the US as a Brit (which I think is still true after 9/11, check) I was incorrect before. When you present the UK passport, at that moment you are not an American and there is no requirement to us a US passport. |
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Re: Travel with dual citizenship/passports US & UK
From: dprk007-ga on 05 Apr 2005 16:29 PDT |
As someone who has both Canadian and UK passports , I take a very utilatarian approach to which passport I choose. If applying for a foreign visa , I will use the passport which is cheapest. When travelling to the US , I will use my Canadian passport as this often entails less hassle at US customs (US custom /immigration officials operate like robots memorising and carrying out to the exact detail what appears to be hundreds of regulations) Thus when going to the US from the UK , I show my Canadian passport on entry and my British Passport when I leave the US. (This is to minimise any hassle when I get back to the UK) This has a tendancy to confuse the US immigration officials as I do not have an entry immigration form. DPRK007 |
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Re: Travel with dual citizenship/passports US & UK
From: wordman-ga on 25 Apr 2005 03:21 PDT |
Myoarin is offering poor advice. You are always considered a citizen of both nations no matter which passport you are presenting at that moment. However, US State Department regulations require that any US citizen returning from a foreign nation must present their US passport to enter the United States, regardless of any other citizenships that person may hold. You should never use your UK passport to enter the United States, as you are a US citizen. When they say "leaving" they only mean that you may be required to show your US passport at check-in, because US citizens are required to carry their US passport any time they are abroad (again, regardless of other citizenships). Your best bet is to not confuse the immigration agents any more than the bare minimum necessary. Any time you are dealing with US immigration, present yourself as a US citizen (which you are). If there is some confusion/complication (i.e. you are traveling to a country that requires a visa for US citizens but not for UK citizens, or in your case, perhaps the lack of stamps) then it may become necessary to show your UK passport to US immigration and explain your situation to them. Make it clear that you are 100% a US citizen, who also happens to be considered a British citizen. For more information, you should see this excellent FAQ: http://www.richw.org/dualcit/ |
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Re: Travel with dual citizenship/passports US & UK
From: myoarin-ga on 25 Apr 2005 07:25 PDT |
Wordman-ga, Thanks for showing that very good site. To a certain extent, I would stick to my claim that the State Dept. is directing its statements purely to US citizens, ignoring the possibility of dual citizenship. This is something that site mentions a couple of times. I certainly agree with you that it is best to avoid confusing the US or other nation's passport controls by showing a passport without a visa for a flight to a country where one is required, of vice versa. Especially after 9/11!! It is rather intriguing that although most countries would like to avoid the dichotomies of dual citizenship, the US has as a result of the Supreme Court decisions had to greatly liberalize its attitude. THanks again. |
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Re: Travel with dual citizenship/passports US & UK
From: dprk007-ga on 25 Apr 2005 19:32 PDT |
Wordman I found your web site regarding the joys of dual US/some other country citizenship facinating. I am certainly no expert in this subject. However it would make sense that a US citizen with another citizenship should show his/her US passport to US immigration officials when returning from a trip abroad. But then I am thinking that every case may not be quite this simple. Let us take a hypothetical example: 1. Jimmy is born in the United States and grows up in the United States to UK born parents. (He is therefore a naturalised American citizen) 2. When Jimmy is eighteen he applies for and gets UK citizenship. He also procures a UK passport. 3. Jimmy is interested in visiting country X. Country X does not have diplomatic relations with the United States. However country X does have diplomatic relations with UK and Canada. 4. Jimmy requires a visa to visit country X. He contacts a tour operator in Canada which specialises in tourist trips to country X. The Canadian tour operator obtains a visa for Jimmy to visit country X using his UK passport. 5. Jimmy asks the Canadian tour operator if he should take his US passport with him ( as well as his UK passport) when he goes to country X. They advise that perhaps he should leave his US passport behind as relations between the US and Country X are a bit touchy. 6. Jimmy visits country X and has a great time. While entering and exiting he has no problems with immigration officials from country X as all his travel documents are in order. 7. Jimmy however realises he is not sure what to say to US immigration officials when he returns to the US. I see three possible outcomes: - Jimmy explains he is a UK citizen "visiting" the United States. The immigration officials accept his story and let him through. - After showing the immigration officials his UK passport , Jimmy explains he is also a US citizen , but left his US passport behind on advice of the tour operator. - Jimmy explains he is a UK citizen "visiting" the United States. However having searched his luggage , the immigration officials find documents revealing that he is also a US citizen living in the Uniteds States. I am very curious in the last two scenarios if Jimmy has actually committed an offense. Also what would the repercussions be (for Jimmy): - A slap on the wrist? - A fine? - A Jail Sentence? - "Deported back to the UK" - "Deported back to country X" - Stripped of his US citizenship? - not allowed out of the immigration area of the airport? DPRK007 |
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