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Representation in the self nonself discrimination problem (immunology)
Category: Science > Biology Asked by: jasonb05-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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06 Apr 2005 01:09 PDT
Expires: 06 May 2005 01:09 PDT Question ID: 505634 |
Why does the acquired immune system discriminate self from nonself using a nonself representation? One of the problems addressed by the acquired immune system is interesting nonself from everything else (novelty detection) (assuming the classification decision occurs within a hyperspace of whatever attributes are involved in receptor structure/binding/specificity/whatever). This simplification can be further reduced to the modelling of a probability density function for antigens of interest (potentially harmful) and everything else. Simply put B lymphocyte cells and T lymphocyte cells can be considered detectors in the interesting-nonself (pathogen) hyperspace. My question is why model the discrimination problem in the complement (nonself) space? Rephrased: what are the advantages of using a nonself representation for detectors (closeness in specificity) over a self-based representation (distance in specificity)? I assume that the model of self used to prepare things like T lymphocyte cells in the thymus and B-cells during clonal selection is a pretty good approximation of what the detectors will encounter of self in their lifetime. Thus, the model of self is useful, and this implies that the decision boundaries for what is self and nonself are somewhat known. Further, I assume the size of the self hyperspace is smaller than that of potentially harmful pathogens. I have to assume that the reason has to do with biochemical properties such as it is efficient to combine detection and response (touch-detect-bind-proliferate?) I am clearly no biologist and the little ?knowledge? I have of the immune system is clearly a dangerous thing ? though given all my dangerous assumptions and reductions, I believe my question is relatively straightforward, yet the books on immunology do not seem to have a straightforward answer theoretical or otherwise. |
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Re: Representation in the self nonself discrimination problem (immunology)
From: xarqi-ga on 06 Apr 2005 03:49 PDT |
First, receptor structure is defined by what amounts to a random selection of genetic components, with a very large number of possible combinations. During lymphcyte maturation (ignoring auto-immune disease), self-reactive lymphocytes are selectively deleted. That is, during that process, any lymphocyte that finds a ligand for its receptor dies. That leaves only lymphocytes that have not found matching ligands. These are the ones that form the basis for an immune response if, after maturation, the DO find a ligand. The receptor structures are random - there is no model of non-self involved. Many will never find a ligand at all, and there is no guarantee that there will be a lymphocyte with a receptor that will bind an epitope on any given foreign protein. The receptor diversity possible, coupled with the wonderful antigen-presentation systems in cells make for a wonderfully sensitive and responsive system. This is not without its downside, as the generation of antibody diversity is I think the only normal cellular process where double-strand DNA breaks are made. This is an inherently risky process, and when it goes wrong, leukaemia can be the result. The pros and cons have been weighed in the evolutionary balance, and what has resulted is a marvel. Well - that was fun to write, but I'm not sure if I addressed your question. |
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Re: Representation in the self nonself discrimination problem (immunology)
From: politicalguru-ga on 06 Apr 2005 08:56 PDT |
Thank you for your question. However, I believe that to answer it well, your question will require more time and effort than the average amount of time and effort associated with this price. Here is a link to guidelines about pricing your question, in the pricing guide: https://answers.google.com/answers/pricing.html |
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Re: Representation in the self nonself discrimination problem (immunology)
From: jasonb05-ga on 06 Apr 2005 16:41 PDT |
Thanks for the advice, I have since bumped the price/cost up. |
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