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Grammar
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: sibilance-ga List Price: $5.00 |
Posted:
08 Apr 2005 12:28 PDT
Expires: 08 May 2005 12:28 PDT Question ID: 506875 |
Please settle a friendly disagreement: Which of the following two sentences are correct? Are either of the sentences incorrect? 1.) Data in its original format is subject to manipulation. 2.) Data in their original format are subject to manipulation. |
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Re: Grammar
Answered By: websearcher-ga on 08 Apr 2005 12:40 PDT |
Hi sibilance: Thanks for the interesting question. As a part-time technical writer/editor, this question has bothered me for many years. The short answer - both are acceptible English. But, if there's money riding on this, I'd say that the second, plural version is "more" correct. (Yes, yes all you commentors, I know that there's no such this as "more" correct.) Here are some data to back up this claim: AskOxford - Is 'data' singular or plural? URL: http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutgrammar/data Quote: "Strictly speaking, data is the plural of datum, and should be used with a plural verb (like facts). However, there has been a growing tendency to use it as an equivalent to the uncountable noun information, followed by a singular verb. This is now regarded as generally acceptable in American use, and in the context of information technology. The traditional usage is still preferable, at least in Britain, but it may soon become a lost cause." Dictionary.com - data URL: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=data Quote: "da·ta...pl.n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)...Plural of datum." Search Strategy (on Google): * data "singular or plural" I hope this helps! websearcher |
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Re: Grammar: data as noncount noun
From: indexturret-ga on 08 Apr 2005 13:12 PDT |
Websearcher is right and the quote from AskOxford explains it succinctly---both senses of "data" are acceptable (as long as you don't juxtapose them awkwardly). Some grammatical proscriptionists insist that the noncount-noun sense of "data" is "wrong" because the noun originally had only a count sense (datum sg./data pl.). But the fact is that it's a normal process in living languages for words to grow new part-of-speech senses over time. Sometimes the new growths survive; sometimes they don't. In the case of the count-noun sense of "data," the new growth definitely survived and thrived. People who "hate" such change tend to be monolingual and therefore tend not to understand that languages are in reality only stable-but-dynamic code conventions. |
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Re: Grammar: data as noncount noun
From: indexturret-ga on 08 Apr 2005 13:18 PDT |
Sorry, that should read "In the case of the noncount-noun sense..." |
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Re: Grammar
From: sibilance-ga on 08 Apr 2005 14:33 PDT |
IndexTurret - who are you? I noticed that you comment on many questions, but do not ask any ... that's a bit odd. |
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Re: Grammar
From: capitaineformidable-ga on 08 Apr 2005 14:59 PDT |
Could indexturret-ga be like me and not own a credit card? |
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Re: Grammar
From: pinkfreud-ga on 08 Apr 2005 15:04 PDT |
Regarding folks who comment but don't post questions, I used to be one of those folks. Before I became a Google Answers Researcher, I posted several hundred comments on GA, but I posted no questions. Later, as a GAR, I asked a few questions, but my early career here consisted solely of comments. There are many prolific commenters who have not posted questions. |
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Re: Grammar
From: wrx-ga on 08 Apr 2005 21:27 PDT |
If you replace "data" with something like "figures" or "numbers" it shows which form is correct or, as someone else put it, "more correct". |
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Re: Grammar
From: archae0pteryx-ga on 09 Apr 2005 23:12 PDT |
It's become a matter of house style. As a professional editor, I edit to house style, regardless of personal preference. Technical publishers typically specify "data is";, more traditional publishers such as of textbooks may still call for "data are." When it comes to grammar, I am more traditionalist than otherwise, so I treat it as a plural noun myself. I wouldn't call it a lost cause because I wouldn't call it a cause; but I would certainly call it a practice that is rapidly becoming obsolete. Whichever way you treat it, treat it the same way throughout a document, manuscript, article, series, or site, and don't mix interpretations. Never mind "don't juxtapose them awkwardly"; don't use it differently anywhere within the documentation system in which it occurs. Either use is justifiable and defensible if done consistently. Archae0pteryx |
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Re: Grammar
From: myoarin-ga on 04 May 2005 04:52 PDT |
Hi websearcher-ga, pinkfreud-ga, archae0pteryx-ga, et al., On a website from Australia (the one for finding the nearest public WC), another alternative is used: "datums". A quick search suggests that this usage is rampant, accepted, whatever in the field of geometrics, but maybe in a special meaning, say, the pair of Lat./long figures. Anyway, Cheers! |
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