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Reducing traffic noise in my apartment
Category: Family and Home > Home Asked by: douglascarey-ga List Price: $40.00 |
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11 Apr 2005 07:19 PDT
Expires: 11 May 2005 07:19 PDT Question ID: 507807 |
I live in an apartment about 40 yards from a busy street. At night I periodically can feel the vibrations from buses and large trucks going down that street along with hearing their loud engines. I've tried reducing the noise by turning on a loud fan and even ear plugs, but that does not drown out the loud booming sound of the engine and the vibrations their engines cause. Is there a way to reduce the noise and vibrations coming into my apartment without spending a fortune? I already know about soundproofing the walls and hanging sound proofing sheets, but that seems a little ridiculous and expensive. I am looking for a way to help reduce this noise without resorting to sound proofing sheets or more insulation in the walls. |
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Re: Reducing traffic noise in my apartment
Answered By: adiloren-ga on 11 Apr 2005 14:48 PDT Rated: |
Hello, thank you for the question. The most inexpensive ways to reduce traffic noise are to insulate your doors and windows (or replace them), use rugs, mats, curtains or carpeting to absorb noise and plant trees and/or shrubs near windows, etc. Some of these may not be viable options for you, but I have listed the most feasible ones below. I hope this helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Absorbtion Accoustical Curtains http://soundproofing.org/infopages/curtains.htm Pyramids and Wedges http://www.soundproofing.org/sales/prices.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Soundproof Windows http://www.soundproofwindows.com/?s=gawc2g1 "A Soundproof Window will reduce noise levels by 75-95%. Much better than any replacement windows, SOUNDPROOF WINDOWS will act as a sound barrier and eliminate your noise problem. More than 90% of all the exterior noise comes in through your doors and windows - your walls are almost never the problem. Don't Replace Your Windows A Soundproof Window is a second window placed behind your existing window that opens and closes just like your current one - there is no need to remove or replace your window to eliminate noise problems! Acoustically engineered to act as a sound barrier, Soundproof Windows offer most of the benefits of dual paned replacement windows and several benefits not available with replacement windows. Click here to learn more about how Soundproof Windows work" Interior Windows http://soundproofing.org/infopages/interiorwindows.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Soundproof Sliding Glass Doors http://www.soundproofwindows.com/faq4.html "Use a Soundproof sliding glass door! We offer a door that does an excellent job of stopping sound. It is also a great solution to the typical cold and draftiness you experience with regular sliding glass doors. We have a superb sliding glass door solution - ask us for more details or see our page on Soundproof Sliding Glass Doors for more information" and http://soundproofwindows.com/doors.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Soundproofing Doors http://www.acousticalsource.com/door-soundproofing.html and http://soundproofing.org/infopages/soundproofing_doors.htm and http://www.boscoitalia.it/english/porte.html and http://www.imedco-shielding.com/englisch/products/2noise_supp_doors.html Forum http://www.avforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-48918.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accoustical Mats http://soundproofing.org/sales/prices.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Soundproofing Walls on a budget http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infxtra/infsoundproofingapts.shtm "There are situations where you might not want to use furring strips or add additional drywall. For example, apartment dwellers might want the benefits of sound reduction but may not want to invest too much of their own money. In that case, use vinyl barrier foam composite which will provide the separation necessary for adequately blocking sound. The treatment above for walls may also be used for ceilings to keep sound out from the dear lady upstairs that stomps around her apartment. This can be attached to the walls with nails or staples... which means you can even take it with you when you go!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Expert Recommendations How to Soundproof an Apartment Step-by-step guide to soundproofing your apartment, including the walls, ceiling and floor. By Jesse Barron, 6/5/2004 http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/6-4-2004-55087.asp Condos Break Sound Barrier By MOTOKO RICH Published: February 17, 2005 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/17/garden/17turf.html?ex=1113364800&en=ffe4a7ce89ee98e8&ei=5070&pagewanted=all&position= "In San Francisco, Charles Salter, an acoustical engineer, said his firm was handling about four times as many projects involving sound problems in residential developments as it did five years ago. He regularly recommends that developers install laminated glass and extra layers of gypsum board in the walls to insulate condos from outside noise" Ventilation without opening windows http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/17/garden/17turf.html?ex=1113364800&en=ffe4a7ce89ee98e8&ei=5070&pagewanted=all&position= "On noisy sites, one of the biggest challenges is figuring out how to get fresh air into apartments without opening the windows. At 301 Mission Street in San Francisco, a 60-story condo tower rising next to a bus terminal, a window wall will have two panes, one slightly thicker than the conventional quarter-inch, with half an inch between them to block the sound of buses. Special vents will bring in air through tiny holes in the mullions that anchor the windows to the building, said Glenn Rescalvo, one of its architects." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Additional Resources: Lots of soundproofing options http://www.soundproofing.org/sales/prices.html Soundproofing.org http://soundproofing.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Google Search Terms: "soundproofing apartment" "reducing traffic noise" apartment "soundproofing windows" "soundproofing doors" Thanks again for the question. If you need any clarification of my response, please request it and I will be happy to further assist you. Regards, Anthony (adiloren-ga) | |
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douglascarey-ga
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Thanks for the website links, but it does seem like there is nothing I can do for diesel buses, especially since I'm renting. |
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Re: Reducing traffic noise in my apartment
From: solomonsmind-ga on 11 Apr 2005 21:43 PDT |
One suggestion I did not see above was MOVE. The reason your apartment was open when you got there was the last guy could not stand it either. Do not waste time and money on trying to sound proof. Just move and pick you location based upon a higher standard. May the Lord lead you, and you be wise enough to follow. |
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Re: Reducing traffic noise in my apartment
From: anechoic-ga on 13 Apr 2005 22:06 PDT |
1. Planting a few trees or bushes will do *nothing* to reduce sound levels. You need at least a 100-ft-thick patch of foliage to obtain any meaningful noise reduction. 2. In response to your Request for Clarification, if the noise that bothers you is the low-frequency sound from diesel buses, then most simple noise reduction methods won't work. To reduce low-frequency transmission through your wall, you'll have to drastically modify your wall (staggered stud construction, with minimum 10-inch air gap, or rebuild the wall out of concrete) and windows. Under normal circumstances, poor single-pane windows and vents tend to be the weak-link for noise transmissions, but for low-frequency waves tend to travel easily though any sort of light materials, including wood-framed walls and windows. Pretty much all of the recommendations in the buzzle.com site won't work for your situation. If the bus noise is really bothering you, you should look into moving, |
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Re: Reducing traffic noise in my apartment
From: douglascarey-ga on 14 Apr 2005 06:42 PDT |
Thanks to everybody that answered. anechoic-ga: I believe you are exactly right. The low frequency noise from the diesel buses does come through the walls. There is no easy solution except to move at this point. |
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Re: Reducing traffic noise in my apartment
From: vtan-ga on 14 Oct 2005 16:41 PDT |
If you haven't moved yet I have a couple of easy and cheap ideas that could attenuate some low frequency noise. Restating your request - you want to control some sound energy. The energy of sound is straight forward kinetic energy. So what you want is to add mass where that sound energy is applying itself AND use that mass to convert that energy to something that you can't hear like heat. So the reason rugs, curtains, and the like don't work well is that they don't have enough mass to convert enough energy and they are probably not placed to intercept the sound. Ideas 1 and 2 are about the floor. Idea 3 is for the wall. Idea 4 is for your windows. I don't know how to do the ceiling cheaply. Idea 1) This first idea is to help with sound energy from the floor. If you have high mass furniture like large sofas, bookcases full of books, and heavy desks try moving some of those pieces closer to the source of sound along the walls. If you have a carpet or rug, lay that down first then the furniture on top. Some of the sound energy moving through the floor and transfered through the wall will move through the furniture and be dissipated as heat. If you notice some sound dampening of the low frequency sounds but want to try for more you can try step 2 which would be adding more mass that would be even better at converting kinetic energy to heat. You need something with high mass, surface area, and friction. Sound snobs use fancy bass traps to remove unwanted bass echo. Your situation calls for a cheaper more brute brute force bass trap application. Idea 2) Buy a large 25lb or 40lb bag of rice, another large 25lb or 40lb bag of beans. Then buy a large bag of play sand (~$5 for a 50lb bag). Place a bag in each of the front corners of the room on the floor leaning against the wall and another along the front wall. You have added mass to the floor along where it enters your apartment and added mass to sections of the lower part of the wall. You'll want to hide these behind your furniture. As the sound energy moves through mass, some portion of the energy will be lost to friction as individual grains of sand or rice or individual beans transfer energy to others. You could add more bags if you need it. If you are getting a good sound abatement then you can put the bags in decorative containers. If the sound reduction isn't happening for you, you could still eat the beans and rice and only be out a bag of sand. Sand is maybe $5 for a bag, I'm not sure about rice and beans but maybe $10 each. Idea 3) Next the walls. I think you can get a some of the performance of traditional modifications relatively cheaply. You'll have to rearrange your furniture again. First add mass to the walls that the sound must pass through. Get wall mounted shelving. Metal is probably better. Put more books and other items on these shelves. The shelves and what is on them adds mass to the whole wall through the studs, and the shelves act as added extensions to the wall that will not uniformly resonate. You can make or buy yourself heavy curtains. If you add them, the curtains would help absorb more sound, create a trapped airspace and could hide the wall shelves. The curtains can hang from the ceiling or add a clothes hanger extension to the top of the wall shelves and use it as a curtain rod. Next make yourself a wall screen using any stand alone bookshelves you have, tall pieces of heavy furniture or make a folding wallscreen (needs to be something like plywood, padded with foam, and covered. Arrange these parallel to the curtained wall of shelves. Place your other heavy pieces closer to the corners. I'm not sure how much wire shelves would cost or curtains. Lets say less than $150 for a modest section of shelves and curtains. Idea 4) My cheap and impermanent solution for the windows is several steps. First caulk and seal around the window, then weather strip the window $12. Next you can add window film to the existing glass as an option ~$40. Next buy and apply an interior window insulation kit - $15. Caulking and sealing and film will add mass to the window and help stop vibration. Those interior shrink fit window insulation kits forces sound to transfer from glass to the trapped air space, then resonate through the plastic which will not have the same resonant mass as the glass before getting to the inside space. Good luck. I hope this helps and works for you. I had a lot of fun McGyvering your situation. Victor |
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